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Old 09-08-2010, 06:36 PM
 
Location: The Circle City. Sometimes NE of Bagdad.
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Those of you that have disabilities, I salute you on your creativity. Most of the folks that post here MYSELF INCLUDED) do not realize that.
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:18 PM
 
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I enjoy the beach ALOT. Am I suppose to lug around my boggieboard onto a bus and sit there like a moron for an hour + drive?
I liked you post. A lot.

But I have to tell you that back in the Paleolithic Era, aka the 60's, we DID take our boards on the bus. Longboards. You should have seen the bus stops.
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Old 09-08-2010, 07:42 PM
 
Location: Lafayette, Louisiana
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I live 8 miles from work. These roads are not bicycle friendly. No shoulder on at least two miles. No bus route near my home. Three miles from a tiny grocery store. No shoulder on all three miles. South Louisiana summers are mid to upper 90s with plenty of humidity.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:07 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
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I do need a car to get around. There are no direct bus routes to my workplace and if I was to take the bus, transfer to another bus, I'd have to wake up at 4 AM and take it to get to work, and arrive at around 7 AM. It's not worth it.

Now, I did join a vanpool and that was cool, but I didn't enjoy waking up at 5:30 AM, take a quick shower and go. I'm just not a morning person.

Unfortunately I work in the suburbs, so it would be very unlikely that I could move close enough to work AND to a grocery store and entertainment options and get away with not having a car. I could perhaps bike it to work and have those entertainment and grocery options. But it would take a bit and it would be dangerous as there are NO options for bicyclists to enter a part of the plant where I work at Boeing. I'd have to go very far out of my way to actually enter (legally).
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:21 PM
 
Location: The Big D
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I can see me now toting my kids, their backpacks, band instruments (french horn and clarinet) and all over 7 miles one way to their schools. Then trying to get to all of their activities..... heck, it is hard enough to get from A to B on time with a car. Then with little kids you can't very well tote them all on a bicycle to the grocery store AND get all of the groceries back home. As well as the cleaners and other stops along the way. Nope, I NEED my car(s). Today would have been impossible to do w/o a car thanks to Tropical Storm Hermine.
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:28 PM
 
Location: San Diego
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I liked you post. A lot.

But I have to tell you that back in the Paleolithic Era, aka the 60's, we DID take our boards on the bus. Longboards. You should have seen the bus stops.
My buddies father did this back in the 80's. Him and his crew would take the long series of buses to the beach. I believe he had to take 5 different buses and it took like 3 hours. They had to leave the beach pretty early too or they would miss 1 bus and be stuck in the middle of nowhere for the night.

no thank you
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Old 09-08-2010, 08:38 PM
 
Location: Earth
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I live on a military installation that's in the middle of the country....meaning you have to drive 10 miles just to get the simple things from Wal-fart, plus we have one child....so yes we need a car.
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Old 09-08-2010, 10:37 PM
 
Location: Duluth, Minnesota, USA
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Just a point of curiosity. If you didn't have a car, could you get by? I got to thinking what my life would be like if I didn't have it as a musician. There are certain things I could still do easily, some I could do only with difficulty, and some that could not be done at all.

There is a grocery store nearby, so that's not a problem. I could still get to my day job and back, too, but it would take 2 additional hours out of my day unless I braved the rush-hour traffic on my bicycle every day. I could get to and from one of the after-school choirs where I work, but the second choir and the church job would have to go - there's no public transport nearby and it's miles from the train station, uphill. To do my laundry, I would need to take two buses at a cost of $6 a round trip, since there are no hookups in my rental house. And I would need to give piano lessons in my home instead of going to theirs, which would cause me to lose most if not all of my current students with their crazy schedules.

tl;dr version: it's possible for me to do without a car, but it would mean giving up a significant amount of income.
In my current location, no, I could not live without a car. I live 9 miles from my place of work; although I can and often do bike it in the summer, it would be torture in the northern Minnesota winter - which is about five months long. I suppose that I could ride with my mother there, because we work at the same place - but on the other hand, often I have to leave early, go on measurements, pick up supplies, and perform all kinds of errands that require a car. We don't have business sedans, and driving a van everywhere would waste gas, so I use my personal car. In addition, if I ever found work elsewhere, I would definitely need a car. The nearest commercial-zoned property is two miles away from my home (we live in a rural area), and real commercial density is at least six or seven miles away. My "neighborhood" (if you can call it that) is not served by any sort of public transportation. So basically, I have to have a car to attain any minimal level of independence
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Old 09-08-2010, 11:23 PM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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This is a real stupid question and I'm real tired of seeing it asked in this forum, the frugal living, and the great debate forum.

Go to China, India, or Mexico and see how "easily" people get around due to bike riders.

If you want to live in a 3 mile radius bubble by all means, live an extremely repetitive boring life. In fact, I applaud it so you don't get in my way while driving.

Myself, I enjoy going to places where there is no way in holy hell you can not drive a car too. I enjoy the beach ALOT. Am I suppose to lug around my boggieboard onto a bus and sit there like a moron for an hour + drive?

Can you avoid using a vehicle for errands? Of course but this assumption alot of people on this forum have with "cars aren't a necessity" is flat out ignorant.
I don't even know who this is directed to. If it was me, you're pretty far off base.

It seems like every other poster on the Bay Area forums ask where/if they can live without a car. And every time I see these posts, I think the same thing: who ARE these people?? Are they all from New York City? Tokyo? Mars?
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Old 09-08-2010, 11:36 PM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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I don't even know who this is directed to. If it was me, you're pretty far off base.

It seems like every other poster on the Bay Area forums ask where/if they can live without a car. And every time I see these posts, I think the same thing: who ARE these people?? Are they all from New York City? Tokyo? Mars?
Although you won't see me giving my car up anytime soon, it is certainly fairly easy to get around in the bay area (particularly certain sections) on public transport. All you need to do is to allot time. With BART, Caltrain, and various city buses you can get just about anywhere. The only time I take public transport is if I'm headed into San Francisco during a high crowd event like 4th of July when driving is just about impossible. For someone living in San Francisco or San Mateo County I can definitely say that public transport is a realistic option.
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