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Old 09-21-2010, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Sinking in the Great Salt Lake
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We all have our preferences in what we like to drive and what we refuse to ever sit in. Is there any certain vehicle or type of vehicle you refuse to buy?

I for one, will NEVER own a minivan. I don't care how 'practical' or 'efficient' they are...I swore to never own one. Hate the styling, hate the handling, would never buy one. My dad always swore off ever purchasing a foreign automobile, always wanted to buy American. Couple years back bought my mother a Lexus LS but he refuses to drive it, loves his F-150.

Any type of vehicle or brand you simply refuse to own under any circumstances?
Same here, I swore I would never, ever own a minivan. It's ironic that my 11 year old son LOVES minivans for some bizarre reason and has repeatedly asked us to get one.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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let's get into the minivan hate a little bit. is it the styling? is it the image of being a "dog and 2.5 kids" family?
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:43 AM
 
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After graduating High School in 1984 - it seemed everyone had either a Ford Escort or Chevy Cavalier as their first car - so I swore I'd never own either one.

I'd sure showed them, my first car was a Aires K!
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:49 AM
 
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let's get into the minivan hate a little bit. is it the styling? is it the image of being a "dog and 2.5 kids" family?
It's the surrender of any soul and pleasure whatsoever in driving all in the name of practicality. They do their job well, but everything is about practicality. The styling is form follows function, the powertrain does it's job but that's it, the handling is adeqaute, but tuned towards living room couch. All over, there is nothing engaging or dynamic about driving one.

Buying one means in part that I have hit a point where my "needs" outweigh my "wants". It is far and away the best choice for many families, especially those with 3 kids, but it just reeks of compromise. You rarely hear people say I WANT a minivan, they generally say I NEED a minivan.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati
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It's the surrender of any soul and pleasure whatsoever in driving all in the name of practicality. They do their job well, but everything is about practicality. The styling is form follows function, the powertrain does it's job but that's it, the handling is adeqaute, but tuned towards living room couch. All over, there is nothing engaging or dynamic about driving one.

Buying one means in part that I have hit a point where my "needs" outweigh my "wants". It is far and away the best choice for many families, especially those with 3 kids, but it just reeks of compromise. You rarely hear people say I WANT a minivan, they generally say I NEED a minivan.
That is fair. What i don't get is the SUV-as-a-substitute. Because I have never driven an SUV that was in any way inspiring.
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Old 09-21-2010, 10:58 AM
 
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That is fair. What i don't get is the SUV-as-a-substitute. Because I have never driven an SUV that was in any way inspiring.
I agree with you in part. Virtually all cross-overs are either just jacked up cars or restyled minivans. The only advantage they usually carry is in styling and that most have AWD. The irony is that subbing the cross-over for the minivan leads to a loss of practicality for style. They are the "in" thing, so they don't have the minivan stigma, but they really aren't any different.

When it comes to real SUV's, at least you get the saving grace of real 4WD and offroad/towing capability. I think people with a certain need can easily justify a real SUV, while those buying cross-overs aren't buying anything more than a gussied up minivan that isn't as practical.
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:08 AM
 
Location: Overland Park, KS
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That is fair. What i don't get is the SUV-as-a-substitute. Because I have never driven an SUV that was in any way inspiring.
Buy a Suburban. We can fit 4 kids and a few friends, but the #1 thing for us is the cargo room in the back.
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
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I am not much on minivans either, although, even though I am more into sports cars, I do like the old air-cooled VW microbus....even though it's SLOW, vile handling, and rather looks like a minivan. Go figure.

There isn't any brand in particular that I would never consider owning.

Unless styling and pricing change, I won't buy a new car, period. I'm not paying more for a complicated, ugly version when I can find a good used version for much less. But I am OK spinning my own wrenches so a car with some needs is more practical for me than most.
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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It's the surrender of any soul and pleasure whatsoever in driving all in the name of practicality. They do their job well, but everything is about practicality. The styling is form follows function, the powertrain does it's job but that's it, the handling is adeqaute, but tuned towards living room couch. All over, there is nothing engaging or dynamic about driving one.

Buying one means in part that I have hit a point where my "needs" outweigh my "wants". It is far and away the best choice for many families, especially those with 3 kids, but it just reeks of compromise. You rarely hear people say I WANT a minivan, they generally say I NEED a minivan.
By this definition - no one should buy a Camry, Corolla, Focus, Accord and many other cars. They are transportation, nothing more.

The minivan, by virtue of dual sliding doors, usually powered, excels at carrying kids. The Honda Odyssey handles better than many, maybe most, SUVs and is as quick as many sedans. Some minivans truly suck though.
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Old 09-21-2010, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Overland Park, KS
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Unless styling and pricing change, I won't buy a new car, period. I'm not paying more for a complicated, ugly version when I can find a good used version for much less.

Agreed, I have never owned a new car and doubt I will. I'd rather save thousands and do other stuff with it. I'm not trying to impress people at stop lights (anymore).
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