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Old 01-10-2011, 02:19 PM
 
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There really isn't any kind of 60s car that hasn't been restored. The same is getting to be said in the 70s, but what about up to now? I really don't think everything from 80s, 90s, or 00s will be restored, but then again people said the same thing about cars in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, but styling and build quality really started suffer in the mid to late 70s. So where do you see the future of restorations going and what cars do you see surviving?

I think besides stuff like Vettes and pony cars, most stuff that does get fixed up will be restomodded. A big reason for this is lack of performance even in sporty versions of stuff like 442s, Z24, 26, and 36, certain GTs, etc. I know as far as GM fwd cars you can't go wrong with a 3800SC.
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Old 01-11-2011, 04:00 PM
 
Location: NW AR
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It will be interesting to see in 20 years.
maybe cars like
Lincoln Mk viii
Buick Riviera
HHR.SSR
PT Cruiser
Really hard to predict the future what people will want, but most likely there will be some.
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Old 01-11-2011, 05:54 PM
 
Location: South Jersey
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You can 100% bet the farm that someday the hot cars will be the 80's, 90's and above. I have been doing this long enough to remember the old timers saying that the cars from the 60's and 70's were crap build tin cans and they will NEVER be worth anything or be restored too. Guess what? Its only a matter of time. It works this way..
As a 12 -20 year old, there is a new car that you fall in love with but obviously cannot afford.... fast forward 20 years when your kids are grown and you finally have disposable income. Guess what you buy? The car you lusted over as a kid but could not afford. Seen it with antiques.. seen it with cars of the 50's.. seen it with cars of the 60's, then 70's.. The 80's are coming into age very soon.. Its the same cycle over and over. Car values drop for about 20 years.. Then the values slowly go up until they become collectible. The antiques are out of vogue now. Most of the people who lusted over them are dead. Cars of the 50's are on their way out out for the same reason.. I remember a time not so long ago where you could not give away a car from the 80's. Now the F bodies, Mustangs, Malibus, etc are getting very popular..
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Old 01-11-2011, 06:06 PM
 
Location: Columbia, California
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I would pick up a Pinto if one was reasonable.
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Old 01-11-2011, 06:45 PM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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You can 100% bet the farm that someday the hot cars will be the 80's, 90's and above. I have been doing this long enough to remember the old timers saying that the cars from the 60's and 70's were crap build tin cans and they will NEVER be worth anything or be restored too. Guess what? Its only a matter of time. It works this way..
As a 12 -20 year old, there is a new car that you fall in love with but obviously cannot afford.... fast forward 20 years when your kids are grown and you finally have disposable income. Guess what you buy? The car you lusted over as a kid but could not afford. Seen it with antiques.. seen it with cars of the 50's.. seen it with cars of the 60's, then 70's.. The 80's are coming into age very soon.. Its the same cycle over and over. Car values drop for about 20 years.. Then the values slowly go up until they become collectible. The antiques are out of vogue now. Most of the people who lusted over them are dead. Cars of the 50's are on their way out out for the same reason.. I remember a time not so long ago where you could not give away a car from the 80's. Now the F bodies, Mustangs, Malibus, etc are getting very popular..
One thing you are disregarding... electronics. No way in hell will the aftermarket be able to keep up with unique electronics from one vehicle to the next. It isn't like you can just toil at the work bench for a few hours and rebuild an ECM, its impossible. There will need to be electronics manufacturers dedicated to totally remanufacturing and programming these components. Also if these companies are unable to acquire the intellectual property necessary to replicate these parts then they will have to provide universal systems...

Sorry, but to do full restorations 40 years from now on the cars of today you will need probably at the least someone with an electrical and/or computer engineering degree at your disposal. At home garage full restorations will prove extremely challenging... the best way I see possible is to scavenge for electronics now and store them away.
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Pomona
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No way in hell will the aftermarket be able to keep up with unique electronics from one vehicle to the next.
Actually, they can, since in principle, the engines will work the same four strokes. Hence, you have systems like Megasquirt which with a base map for a particular engine, a wideband O2 sensor, and a laptop computer, one doesn't have to be an EE and yet can readily fine tune the computer to anything they want. Boosted? Lean cruising for fuel economy? Distributor-less ignition and sequential fuel injection in something that used to have a crappy electronic carburetor? Yeah, you can pull it off with MS.
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Old 01-11-2011, 08:54 PM
 
Location: U.S.A.
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Actually, they can, since in principle, the engines will work the same four strokes. Hence, you have systems like Megasquirt which with a base map for a particular engine, a wideband O2 sensor, and a laptop computer, one doesn't have to be an EE and yet can readily fine tune the computer to anything they want. Boosted? Lean cruising for fuel economy? Distributor-less ignition and sequential fuel injection in something that used to have a crappy electronic carburetor? Yeah, you can pull it off with MS.
I am aware of megasquirt and it really is a great product and concept.

In principle, yes I agree with you. However in practice most modern engines are completely controlled by a complex network of sensors and many degrees of operator input. Megasquirts are great for updating mechanically controlled engines of the past but really doesn't utilize anything more than the preexisting sensory inputs.
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Old 01-11-2011, 09:03 PM
 
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I think a select few 80's cars like Grand Nationals, Mustangs, Camaros, Monte Carlos, Cutlasses, etc. will become cars for restoring within the next 5-10 years. They're already a popular platform for high performance applications.

I don't believe any of the FWD cars of the 80's will be restored anytime soon...maybe in another 30 years from now. And it will probably be a select few that will restore them.

The 90's cars I'd say even fewer of them will be restored by collectors....maybe a Camaro or a Mustang.
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Old 01-11-2011, 09:04 PM
 
Location: East of Seattle since 1992, originally from SF Bay Area
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Even the current classics of the '60s are going to become museum pieces, as the gas needed to run them gets more and more scarce. Ever try running a high performance 4 barrel 350 or 396 on 15% ethanol pump gas?

As for the later cars, even in 50 years they will never be classics or collectible. They all look the same. Those few that are different are attempting to look like the 50s and 60s cars.
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Old 01-11-2011, 09:26 PM
 
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One thing you are disregarding... electronics. No way in hell will the aftermarket be able to keep up with unique electronics from one vehicle to the next. It isn't like you can just toil at the work bench for a few hours and rebuild an ECM, its impossible. There will need to be electronics manufacturers dedicated to totally remanufacturing and programming these components. Also if these companies are unable to acquire the intellectual property necessary to replicate these parts then they will have to provide universal systems...

Sorry, but to do full restorations 40 years from now on the cars of today you will need probably at the least someone with an electrical and/or computer engineering degree at your disposal. At home garage full restorations will prove extremely challenging... the best way I see possible is to scavenge for electronics now and store them away.
There already are specialist outfits in the automotive electronics biz who are rebuilding/repairing ... and even upgrading ... the ECM's of the 70's, 80's, and 90's for car lines where the OEM stuff had inadequate componentry and high failure rates. These outfits started with Bosch, VDO and other euro car components and have since gone on with domestic and asian brands. Some of these outfits have been in business since the 1980's ... I know, I helped one of the leaders move out of the dwindling main frame computer support biz to automotive electronics rebuilding. It proved to be a very big business for them with the euro cars; at one point, they had over 60 employees.

I have no doubt that the technology, components, and proprietary information is out in the marketplace today and will be available for the forseeable future. There's more than several EE's, tuners and techs who have reverse engineered these items and have made it their stock in trade today. There's a fair number of outfits who have figured out the programming and you see where they've entered the marketplace with replacement chips for performance enhancements, too. It's not going to go away, these folks will seek out the markets that pay them for their knowledge and products ... if it's restorations, they'll be there.
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