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Old 03-27-2011, 10:53 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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I bet 95% of the people who claim cold air intake added power to their vehicle are relying on the "butt dyno." Unquestionably the CAI improves the sound of most engines, but hp improvements are rarely backed up by real measurements.

It sounds throatier - therefore it must be faster, right?
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:12 PM
 
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You can read all over the internet that COI's can give you HP and torque gains. True or is it snake oil? Worth the money? Also, will it void out a warranty?
do cold air induction kits work? yes they do. how well they work depends on how restrictive the stock intake is, most are pretty bad. you can pick up on average 8-15hp, and a couple mpg.

there are things you need to consider though;

1: how much are you willing to pay for minor gains in economy and power?

2: can you do things for yourself, or do you need to pay someone to do even minor things?

if you can do for yourself, then there are do it yourself universal kits that are cheaper than vehicle specific kits, and you can even make your own CAI that will do as well as aftermarket kits will. personally i would build my own CAI system rather than spend the money the aftermarket wants for the minor gains.
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Old 03-27-2011, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Kentucky
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do cold air induction kits work? yes they do. how well they work depends on how restrictive the stock intake is, most are pretty bad. you can pick up on average 8-15hp, and a couple mpg.

there are things you need to consider though;

1: how much are you willing to pay for minor gains in economy and power?

2: can you do things for yourself, or do you need to pay someone to do even minor things?

if you can do for yourself, then there are do it yourself universal kits that are cheaper than vehicle specific kits, and you can even make your own CAI that will do as well as aftermarket kits will. personally i would build my own CAI system rather than spend the money the aftermarket wants for the minor gains.

To answer your questions:

1. I am willing to pay up to a point. That point is...???

2. I can do most of the mods myself. Things like an intake, sway bar, tower brace, etc are all extremely easy add-on's. Now putting on the exhaust system is a different story. I don't have a lift or welding gear.

Also, I noticed Steeda offers a throttle body spacer. Waste a time to buy one?
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:33 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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To answer your questions:

1. I am willing to pay up to a point. That point is...???

2. I can do most of the mods myself. Things like an intake, sway bar, tower brace, etc are all extremely easy add-on's. Now putting on the exhaust system is a different story. I don't have a lift or welding gear.

Also, I noticed Steeda offers a throttle body spacer. Waste a time to buy one?
waste of time uless you get a bigger throttle body

if you do keep it after warranty getting the intake manifold ported and polished with a bigger throttle body and spacer plate and CAI would give some better airflow then tackle the exhuat I am sure there will be a aftermarket headers from FRPP or BBK and a hi-flow cat and a nice borla catback S/S exhaust would give you some HP but you would need the steeda tuner to get it set up right but do that after you upgrade the suspensin I mean I still say the two thing I would get first are the Steeda's Fusion Handling Pak and Steeda Front Subframe X-Brace


Steeda's Fusion Handling Pak provides a complete, balanced solution which improves the looks and performance all for a reduced price over purchasing the items individually.
The handling pack includes Steeda Sport Springs, Strut tower brace, rear swaybar, and Tokico shocks and struts. This combination of parts will lower your Fusion 1.4 inches improving the looks, reduce body roll and nosedive for improved handling and braking while maintaining great ride quality. All in one complete package.

Steeda Front Subframe X-Brace
Stiffen your chassis where it needs it. Achieve better handling by allowing your suspension to do its job instead of the chassis flexing first. The Fusion front subframe is designed in the form of a square with no cross supports. The diagonal X of the Steeda brace extends across the sub frame and eliminates the parallelogram affect high loads may cause, unlike the competition, which reinforces the already stout rear leg of the sub frame. In addition, the Steeda brace ties together the two front lower control arm mounts to distribute lateral load under hard cornering. Steeda Engineers designed this support from super strong and light 4130 Chrome molly steel material. Braces are silver powder coated and come with mounting hardware.
Product Benefits:
  • Improved vehicle handling
  • Reduced chassis flex
  • High quality chrome-moly construction - Made in the USA
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Old 03-27-2011, 08:46 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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also check out this site and this will cost a bit but it is worth it:
Brembo Gran Turismo Drilled Brake Kit


Features
  • The Brembo Gran Turismo Drilled Brake System is a complete braking kit that's custom-designed for demanding performance in your vehicle
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  • Engineered with a floating disc mounting system and a billet aluminum hat to reduce "unsprung weight" for lower temperatures, better handling and diminished heat-related stress
  • Brembo Gran Turismo Brakes' floating disc design also contributes to braking power and enhances pedal feel
  • Includes all parts for a complete braking rebuild: cross-drilled discs, aluminum calipers, braided stainless steel brake lines, long-lasting aggressive-performance pads and pre-torqued aircraft-quality hardware
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  • Integrated directional vane design vacuums heat out and away from the braking system for part life and performance gains
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  • Installation time totals 1-1.5 hours per axle on most vehicles; 4WD vehicles may take longer for switching out the knuckles with included high-performance replacements
  • Brembo Gran Turismo Brakes from AutoAnything ship pre-assembled where possible for smooth installation (see note below)
  • Sold in front and rear pairs when available
  • Backed by a 2-year warranty
an after you save some more cuase car mods are expensive and take years to do put this would be the cat-back system that I would get and it is made for the 3.0 fusion
http://www.autoanything.com/images/products/schem/borla/med/borla_exhaust_140184.jpg (broken link)
http://www.autoanything.com/exhausts...0A3306339.aspx
Features
  • Borla Performance Cat-Back exhaust systems are custom crafted for your specific vehicle
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  • Borla's mandrel-bent tubing eliminates excessive back-pressure and provides a smooth exit for spent gasses
  • Free-flowing Borla exhaust systems bolster horsepower and torque and can also increase fuel economy
  • Kits feature Borla's patented multi-core and straight-through muffler designs
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  • All kits include the required clamps, connectors and hardware—everything you need for a hassle-free installation
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  • Your Cat-Back performance exhaust system is backed by Borla's Million-Mile Warranty
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and for you CAI go for the K&N version since it is not about power but for looks and sound really
http://www.autoanything.com/images/products/med/air_intake_systems/k%26n_69_series.jpg?Lo0P=3e99adc3a485e8184551d3b2b 582369e11454 (broken link)
Features
  • The K&N Typhoon Air Intake System amps-up the power of your sport compact ride
  • Custom-engineered for your specific year, make and model auto
  • K&N Typhoon Air Intake Systems add up to 15 horsepower for pavement-ripping performance
  • Built for the specs of your vehicle in one of 3 distinct styles:
  • Short Ram: the shortest possible intake tube for forcing masses of air into your engine
  • Cold Air Intake: a longer intake tube running to your wheel well for the coolest air possible
  • Complete Cold Air Intake: two intake tube sections that can be configured as a Short Ram or Cold Air Intake for extreme versatility
  • The K&N Typhoon Air Intake System comes in your choice of finishes: powder-coat Red, Blue or Silver, or pure Polished
  • Powered by a special K&N Xtream Airflow cotton-gauze filter that's washable and reusable
  • K&N Typhoon Air Intakes come equipped with quality hardware like steel brackets, reinforced silicone hoses, aluminum air sensor adaptors, stainless hose clamps and more
  • Detailed instructions help you install the Typhoon Intake in less than 90 minutes
  • Your K&N Typhoon Air Intake is covered by a 10-year/1,000,000-mile warranty
all these things are for you car with the 3.0 and are emissions legal and WILL NOT void the factory warranty and were tested for use with your motor only thing is cost but over 3-4 years you should have decent car with just a those mods with better handling less body flex and better stopping power for the corners and some added HP with the K&N CAI and th borla exhaust but really a nice sound that has a life time warranty on the parts so your mufflers will never rust out.

maybe later add some light weight forged aluminum rims with a decent perfomance tire and you will have a really great set up and a fusion that will suprise a few people in the corners

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Old 03-28-2011, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Ohio
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IMO, in general, cars produced in the last few years have a very efficient air intake system. Most of them have "cold air intake" already. Is it worth the money to get aftermarket one ? Well, it depends. How much does a measly few power increase and major noise increase worth to you ?

I'm not bashing your preference here. H3ll, I'd pay $200-300 to get that measly increase of power and tons of intake noises making my car sound so mean. Do this on a turbocharged car and the noises of the turbo-intake system taking in air and relieving pressure are amplified. It whistles, hisses, pops (mildly), reverberates, and in general making all the right noises

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Old 03-28-2011, 07:40 AM
 
Location: South Jersey
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I bet 95% of the people who claim cold air intake added power to their vehicle are relying on the "butt dyno." Unquestionably the CAI improves the sound of most engines, but hp improvements are rarely backed up by real measurements.

It sounds throatier - therefore it must be faster, right?
100% correct..
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Old 03-28-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Also, I noticed Steeda offers a throttle body spacer. Waste a time to buy one?
Separately, they don't do much, but as a whole -everything in Steeda's catalog seems to offer a decent gain.

You just have to ask yourself how far you want to go with this. If you just stick with bolt ons like that you'll gain a reasonable amount of power, but are still going to get smoked by stock Mustangs, 300Cs, BMW 335s, etc. You'll be a little quicker then other vehicles in the Fusions class, but not enough to run any of them down if they get a good launch or are already head of you.

However, if just having a mean sounding Fusion that is different from everybody else's is more then half the fun then just go for it.
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:01 AM
 
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On the CAI front, the vast majority of factory boxes are perfectly capable of providing all the air your engine needs. The real benefit only becomes apparent as you add things like improved cams, heads and exhaust and then the actual intake begins to become a restriction. For the vast majority of people who may do simple mods, a CAI is nothing more than a fancy looking thing under the hood that makes the engine sound a little meaner. Basically, it's a fun project that you can say you did, but don't expect much out of it.

On the dyno claims that the companies publish you need to realized how the cars ECM works when reading fuel and air mixtures. All cars are set up to run "rich" from the factory and equal to the stoichiometric ratio of 14.7:1 which optimizes engine heat and allows the catalytic converter to operate properly. In terms of performance, this is "rich" versus an NA optimum ratio of 12-13:1. What CAI's do is temporarily lean out the mixture when they are first installed. This increases the total power from the engine. Over time, an untuned car will "adjust" for this leaner condition and pump more fuel to reach the stiochiometric ratio. This reduces the total power gained. In general, you can see 10-15 whp gains on some cars intitially. Once the ECM adjusts, these gains can drop to 2-3whp, or what is essentially within the realm of error on a dyno.
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Old 03-28-2011, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Earth
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"cold air intake" LOL ... as if it 'pre chills' the air coming in when it's 100 degrees outside, and even hotter in the engine compartment...

I had a K&N FIPK setup on my supercharged Tacoma...looked pretty neat but all it did was make noise that I grew tired of. Took it off and put the factory airbox back on...quieter in the cab and no loss of performance that I can tell.

I don't care about some squiggly line on a dyno chart ticking upwards of a gnat's ass...but some folks do. Who's going to notice 1-2hp anyway? Not me.
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