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Old 03-30-2011, 11:26 AM
 
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I take it you haven't talked to a highway patrolman...lol besides if you need stuff looked up go hire a secretary...My point is what you will see when you google ""Is excessive speed related to MOST highway deaths" case n point. lol
Lets see, uhhh no? Why on Earth would I get up in the middle of the night, get dressed and drive 50 miles to the nearest DPS station and ask them a stupid question? And drive through 20 red light cams on the way? Only a senile person would do that......

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Old 03-30-2011, 12:38 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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I take it you haven't talked to a highway patrolman...lol besides if you need stuff looked up go hire a secretary...My point is what you will see when you google ""Is excessive speed related to MOST highway deaths" case n point. lol
Don't have to talk to a patrolman. He doesn't keep the records of all the accidents or the causes. NHTSA and FARS do. I've read those reports. You obviously haven't.
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Old 03-30-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Speed is NEVER the ONLY cause of an accident, unless its 16-yearolds drag racing or showing off. Every accident is caused by a combination of factors working together, but whatever goes on the accident report, one of the factors in nearly every accident is somebody going too fast for the prevailing conditions and driver capability. An analysis of almost every accident would prove that it wouldn't have happened if somebody had not been driving faster than appropriate under the circumstances. Speed, by the way, can contribute not just to the root cause of the accident, but also to the extremity of the consequences when one occurs.

"Exceeding the speed limit" is not necessarily "driving too fast for conditions". But in the accident report, the Speed box is checked by the officer only if someone was exceeding the speed limit, and that's why those silly statistics up there in somebody's post are so meaningless and do not give a true picture of anything. Statistics are often trotted out and used for no other reason than that they are simplistic and easy to understand when rewritten into a fluff news story. But without an understanding of the metrics, statistics can say whatever you want them to say.

The fact is, driver judgment, as well, is almost always a causative factor in an accident, and it's wonderful that our forum is graced by several drivers whose judgment is infallible, allowing them the authority to order everyone else into the slow lane, since the taxpayers, at great sacrifice, have created left lanes just for those immaculate drivers who also have perfectly tuned cars, maintained to racing specs, and are immune to even Acts of God. The same posters who seem to think that every accident has only one contributing factor, and speed is the factor only if it is somebody else.
Quit projecting your inabilities on others.

Oh, and sorry you have to drive a POS.
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Old 04-01-2011, 12:40 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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WHOOO! there , Don't have to get violent , read all the post here on CD on how to simply beat these tickets. In short , all you need to do is go to court and demand a verified complaint on the ticket . That means a ticket signed by the person persons complaining ( your constitutional right and in this case it is the camera that says you were speeding ) not some one that reviewed
the evidence from the camera. And one thing more, when was the last time you here a camera talk in a court of law. That's the law , make the cops obey the laws also . That's why so many towns and city's are taking the camera's down because they can't win in court if your know your rights .
You really should stop dispensing legal advice on these forums since you are about 100% FOS.
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Old 04-01-2011, 10:20 AM
 
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Let me help some understand more about why excessive speed is so deadly/ For example you hit a large oak tree going just 5 mph. You may ruin the car but thats about it. Then imagine hitting the same tree going 60 mph....Now you can see why excessive speed kills...Its the same driver error. its the same car. its the same tree, but the ONLY factor added is the excessive speed. case n point
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Old 04-01-2011, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Let me help some understand more about why excessive speed is so deadly/ For example you hit a large oak tree going just 5 mph. You may ruin the car but thats about it. Then imagine hitting the same tree going 60 mph....Now you can see why excessive speed kills...Its the same driver error. its the same car. its the same tree, but the ONLY factor added is the excessive speed. case n point
Let me tip you off to a little tidbit. IN NHTSA and FARS traffic data, "speed" listed as a factor is NOT merely "excessive speed." Speed listed as a factor CAN mean excessive speed, or it CAN mean speed too fast for conditions, or it CAN mean speed LOWER than traffic. Yes, speed as a factor can definitely (and has repeatedly) meant driving too slow.

Next, ALL rear end accidents, regardless of speed at which they occur, list speed as a factor. ALL rear end accidents, even though excessive speed or speeding is a VERY minor portion of those (driving too close and not paying attention are vastly larger factors).

Quit with the "excessive speed is the primary cause" crap as it doesn't fly with those of us that have read the damn reports. Why do you insist on arguing that point when it's blatantly obvious you HAVEN'T read the reports and are only ASSUMING?

Lastly, address the issue that only 3% of drivers get into accidents of any sort per year, only half of those are injurious, and fatalities (half of which STILL are caused by drunk driving) account for barely 1% of all accidents, and yet average speeds are higher than ever and you can look around and see that most people drive fast....

Speeding is obviously NOT killing us off. Last year we had the lowest fatility rate since 1949. You can put up all the anecdotal individual examples you want. The FACT is still this: less than .01% of drivers are dying in car crashes and half of those are still due to alcohol. Even if speeding is a factor in MOST crashes, 97% of drivers are not crashing each year, and the ones that aren't crashing are still averaging higher than the posted limits.

Anecdotally, there's a damn good chance that the ones that crash simply are sucky drivers regardless of how fast they are going. And we know by looking around how many sucky drivers there are anyhow.
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Old 04-01-2011, 02:19 PM
 
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Let me tip you off to a little tidbit. IN NHTSA and FARS traffic data, "speed" listed as a factor is NOT merely "excessive speed." Speed listed as a factor CAN mean excessive speed, or it CAN mean speed too fast for conditions, or it CAN mean speed LOWER than traffic. Yes, speed as a factor can definitely (and has repeatedly) meant driving too slow.

Next, ALL rear end accidents, regardless of speed at which they occur, list speed as a factor. ALL rear end accidents, even though excessive speed or speeding is a VERY minor portion of those (driving too close and not paying attention are vastly larger factors).

Quit with the "excessive speed is the primary cause" crap as it doesn't fly with those of us that have read the damn reports. Why do you insist on arguing that point when it's blatantly obvious you HAVEN'T read the reports and are only ASSUMING?

Lastly, address the issue that only 3% of drivers get into accidents of any sort per year, only half of those are injurious, and fatalities (half of which STILL are caused by drunk driving) account for barely 1% of all accidents, and yet average speeds are higher than ever and you can look around and see that most people drive fast....

Speeding is obviously NOT killing us off. Last year we had the lowest fatility rate since 1949. You can put up all the anecdotal individual examples you want. The FACT is still this: less than .01% of drivers are dying in car crashes and half of those are still due to alcohol. Even if speeding is a factor in MOST crashes, 97% of drivers are not crashing each year, and the ones that aren't crashing are still averaging higher than the posted limits.

Anecdotally, there's a damn good chance that the ones that crash simply are sucky drivers regardless of how fast they are going. And we know by looking around how many sucky drivers there are anyhow.
So I take it that YOU feel you can drive as fast as you want to and being an expert driver means you wont ever have a wreck......Yo even the nascar guys wreck...lol Explain all this to the cop when you get a ticket and for sure he will apologize for stopping you.........lol
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Old 04-01-2011, 07:20 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Sometimes it makes me cringe how many of my countrymen use appeal to the authority of the state as the basis for their argument.
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Old 04-02-2011, 12:07 AM
 
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So I take it that YOU feel you can drive as fast as you want to and being an expert driver means you wont ever have a wreck......Yo even the nascar guys wreck...lol Explain all this to the cop when you get a ticket and for sure he will apologize for stopping you.........lol
So now according to the elitist one must be an "expert" driver to go over 80 MPH, has nothing to back it up except "talk to the highway police"... lol lol lol

Still can't come up with anything concrete to back up your lame claims.... lol lol lol

And we know people who drive the speed limit never get into accidents... lol lol lol

NASCAR drivers wreck? WOW, an awesome observation!!!!!! I'll bet no-one here knew that...lol lol lol

I'll bet it's safe to say even police and highway patrolman get into accidents...lol lol lol Want a clue? you can get into an accident at ANY speed... lol lol lol

BTW chief, does lol stand for lame obtuse libertarian? lol lol lol

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Old 04-02-2011, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Anecdotally, there's a damn good chance that the ones that crash simply are sucky drivers regardless of how fast they are going. And we know by looking around how many sucky drivers there are anyhow.
But a sucky driver is more likely to be in a crash, or a more serious crash, when driving too fast, than when not driving too fast. Right?
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