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I think we have a lot of "reluctant drivers" amongst young people. Would rather not, but possess no other choice, based on the infrastructure of this country.
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Originally Posted by texdav
Ithink erhaps other thngs have just take the cars place as so called cool. Basacailly most young people i know seem to just think of it has transportation. But I guess in a day when cool transportation can cost so much more and their are alterantives they want ;it just the chnagi times.There will laways be the car lovers as object but its mass appeal to youth is a dying thing.
Yep. Very very few of the younger generation are into cars for cars' sake. At most it's a method of getting around. Add to this the fact that cities are 'cool' again and, well, you'd better sell your collector car yesterday or keep it until you die.
The fat old guys at auctions spending megabucks on 60s muscle cars won't see a dime of it when they're in their dotage. No one's gonna want them.
Yep. Very very few of the younger generation are into cars for cars' sake. At most it's a method of getting around. Add to this the fact that cities are 'cool' again and, well, you'd better sell your collector car yesterday or keep it until you die.
The fat old guys at auctions spending megabucks on 60s muscle cars won't see a dime of it when they're in their dotage. No one's gonna want them.
I HIGHLY doubt that collector vehicles will be worthless in the future; have you ever BEEN to a collector car auction? I attend Barrett-Jackson each year and while there ARE a lot of older gentlemen buying 60's and 70's muscle cars, there are a very good number of 30-something and 40-somethings also buying them. The interest from the younger crowd is there as long as you have some money to burn.
If muscle cars are a dime a dozen in 30 years, I'm going to have a garage that rivals Jay Leno's .
I HIGHLY doubt that collector vehicles will be worthless in the future; have you ever BEEN to a collector car auction? I attend Barrett-Jackson each year and while there ARE a lot of older gentlemen buying 60's and 70's muscle cars, there are a very good number of 30-something and 40-somethings also buying them. The interest from the younger crowd is there as long as you have some money to burn.
If muscle cars are a dime a dozen in 30 years, I'm going to have a garage that rivals Jay Leno's .
Yeah I think the value of collector cars will remain steady. Nostalgia is always trendy, and a diminishing supply of classics will help with the value.
Then again, the under 30 have such a long way to go to recover the spending power of their parents' and grandparents' generations. Lets hope they do (not holding my breath).
The idea of cool cars today for the younger generation is a Honda Civin with tinted windows and a loud exhaust. WHat a shame...that car is a dime a dazen and has zero character. Steel7 has it right with the movie Dazed and Confused...thats what it should be like. I didnt get my license until 1993 but Ive always had a classic, maybe not a daily driver but always had one because nothing compares to a classic muscle car. Not even classics..what about Jeep Wranglers and other cars that have some sort of character to them. Todays generation, for the most part, is very blah when it comes to cool cars.
Cars are no longer "cool" with the younger generation.
- They have bought into the liberal urban enviro-nut hipster lifestyle. They view cars as evil, antisocial, environment-destroying machines. Plus with living in a crowded city, it is theoretically possible to not drive a car and definitely a hassle TO drive one even if you wanted to with the heavy traffic and scarce, expensive parking. If they did drive a car, their friends would make fun of them for it like somebody who took a bus in my day would. "Oooh, watch out for the crackheads and thugs...hope you come off that bus in one piece" becomes "How many people had to die for you to fill that car up with blood oil? Lame."
- The "Me Generation" Baby Boomers that had so much freedom from their vehicles took away most of that for the Millenial generation by force of law "for their own good." Graduated drivers' licenses (no real license until you are at least 18), greatly increased insurance rates, strict traffic law enforcement, curfews, anti-cruising ordinances, all of the environmental and "safety" regulations that price cars out of the reach of younger people...what's the point of a car that you can't afford and can't really do much with anyway? I say let's start strictly enforcing "Driving While Elderly" offenses and yanking their licenses when they can't stay in a lane or drive more than 30 in a 55 zone.
- The WWII and Boomers ran the economy into the ground with the entitlements they are getting from the socialist politicians they elected. They also effectively mandated that the Millenials assume $30k+ in student loan debt (at a high interest rate and only from the government, the proceeds of which largely go to WWII generation and Boomer entitlement programs ) to even stand a chance of not being one of the 25% who are unemployed or the other 25%+ who are under-employed. If you don't have any money, how the are you supposed to be able to buy a car?
- The EPA and NHTSA the WWII generation and Baby Boomers voted into effect have turned cars into a pile 'o suck. The EPA fuel economy standards have made the wind tunnel the stylist for every vehicle- that's why they all look like identical jelly beans. It has also made much of the engine "no user serviceable parts inside" because god forbid somebody make any modifications that alter the emissions of the engine. The NHTSA has done the rest of the styling with the mandated-identical-height marshmallow-esque 5 mph bumpers that are too tall for a low-slung car and too short for a 4x4. The pedestrian collision standards have led to further bulbousness of the front ends. About all you CAN change on a car is the wheel rims and the badging.
- The younger generations are self-absorbed in their electronic crap and driving simply distracts them from texting and updating their Facebook pages with a string of "LOLs" and "ROFLs." This also affects Generation X more than you would think, as well as some younger Baby Boomers who sadly want to try to stay "young" and "hip." Older Boomers with bad eyesight and hand tremors can't text and dismiss it as a bunch of "malarkey" and tell people to get off their lawn.
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Originally Posted by Baldrick
If i was buying a car now as a teenager i'd be starting to look at cars that are 15+ years old, as in fact my eldest is now doing. In his words "I want to walk out the shop towards my car and be proud to get in it".
Good luck with that, the Cash for Clunkers program that was designed to protect Baby Boomer overpaid union jobs got rid of a lot of older vehicles.
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Y'all also realize that no one stays 20-something forever. Add a few years, a marriage, a kid or two and that 450 sq. ft. loft in the arts district becomes less attractive. As does a carless lifestyle when you have to schlep a couple cranky, feverish kids to the Dr. on public transportation.
The reasons the carless, living in a loft in the city lifestyle may not work as you get older has increasingly to do with not being able to afford the increasing rents than anything else.
- Marriage: Many people don't get married. When they do, they get married a lot later than older generations. The average age of a first marriage is almost 30 now. 75 years ago it was roughly 20 and nearly everybody got married.
- Children: The number of children people are having is decreasing as well, especially amongst city people. Kids are not very compatible with the city lifestyle as you remarked. So the women get IUDs or go on Depo shots and don't have kids. The national fertility rate is right around two children per woman. That's an average. You have some bible thumpers and immigrants popping out a dozen kids per woman balancing out a lot of city people who have maybe one child if any, so it averages out to two kids per woman.
- Doctors: Many people just go to the ER for their medical care. Thus they can go when the buses are not busy and they can get their ex or boyfriend to watch their other kid when they take the sick one to the ER. Many are unemployed and can do the same during the day to make a clinic appointment- although they generally still show up an hour late but still get seen because they throw a fit in the waiting room.
So, I predict that there will still be plenty of people living the liberal urban hipster carless lifestyle for much of their lives, unless the government gravy train they are riding on to support that habit goes off the rails.
Some see driving as a chore while others like me find driving a pleasure..
Im very interested and stimulated by how a vehicle works, how each small part plays its role to get you moving..
I despise these new type of "urban people" .. They act as if they're living the life, but instead are stuck living in a dirty, filthy studio box close to the city centre paying a fortune while at the same time being strapped to their fees and ever increasing debt, student loans etc.. They're the ultimate disconnected people, they lack social skills, and are sitting in the bus with the homeless guy who hasn't showered in years, texting in their phones..
That's a terrible life, but It's all good with me if it means getting these urbanerz who otherwise would be driving on the same road as I do..
Some see driving as a chore while others like me find driving a pleasure..
Im very interested and stimulated by how a vehicle works, how each small part plays its role to get you moving..
I despise these new type of "urban people" .. They act as if they're living the life, but instead are stuck living in a dirty, filthy studio box close to the city centre paying a fortune while at the same time being strapped to their fees and ever increasing debt, student loans etc.. They're the ultimate disconnected people, they lack social skills, and are sitting in the bus with the homeless guy who hasn't showered in years, texting in their phones..
That's a terrible life, but It's all good with me if it means getting these urbanerz who otherwise would be driving on the same road as I do..
As long as they stay in the city AND DON'T MAKE ANY DAMNED LAWS THAT AFFECT ME I am more than fine with it. I like having fewer people out in the sticks and less traffic on the highways. But if they try to hike the gas tax up by several dollars or mandate that my next truck can't weigh more than 2500 pounds or have more than a one-liter engine, I will be massively PO'd.
As long as they stay in the city AND DON'T MAKE ANY DAMNED LAWS THAT AFFECT ME I am more than fine with it. I like having fewer people out in the sticks and less traffic on the highways. But if they try to hike the gas tax up by several dollars or mandate that my next truck can't weigh more than 2500 pounds or have more than a one-liter engine, I will be massively PO'd.
Remember one thing, that's the Automotive industry is the backbone of the economy..
So you can be rest assured that the government will not alter the revenue maker.. Take Europe as an example, with all those regulations affecting the automobile, look at the terrible state of thir economy..
In fact, the air coming out the exhuast of new cars is cleaner then the air going in!
Cars are no longer "cool" with the younger generation.
- They have bought into the liberal urban enviro-nut hipster lifestyle. .
I didn't read the rest of your lengthy post becuase of this. Nicely done.
Could the economics have ANYTHING to do with it? Or are have the nations youth been BRAINWASHED by LIBERALS and the MAINSTREAM MEDIA? Come on.
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) to even stand a chance of not being one of the 25% who are unemployed or the other 25%+ who are under-employed. If you don't have any money, how the 
are you supposed to be able to buy a car? 
