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View Poll Results: Are Subarus a Regional Vehicle
Yes 42 68.85%
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:13 AM
 
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Subaru's are definitely a regional thing. They're everywhere here in Colorado, much more so than in New England. In New England they also seemed to increase in concentration the further north you go, supporting the bad weather car idea. I bought my wrx for snow performance primarily, but I still wanted a sporty car for dry roads. It's nothing compared to my m3, buy it's infinitely better in the snow.

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Old 04-20-2012, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Northern MN
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Sure, my I6 turbo diesel truck has more HP and bucket loads more torque, but it's still slower than my Subaru because it weighs more than twice as much.

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Sorry you hear about your truck.
My I6 turbo diesel truck will easily beat every subie off the line or rolling down the rd, but the wrx.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:34 AM
 
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Sorry you hear about your truck.
My I6 turbo diesel truck will easily beat every subie off the line or rolling down the rd, but the wrx.
Mine is a 6spd manual, you must have a (built) auto.

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Old 04-20-2012, 11:37 AM
 
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Its also worth noting that subaru offered wagons throughout a time period when other automakers essentially abandoned the design. While the new subarus are pretty big the old ones were one of the more affordable small wagon designs around. Even without the AWD they were kind of a niche vehicle.

Wagons are sort of coming back only we call them crossovers now because people don't want to admit they want a station wagon. Just like a lot of SUVs are essentially minivans with a cooler name.
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Old 04-20-2012, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
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Its also worth noting that subaru offered wagons throughout a time period when other automakers essentially abandoned the design. While the new subarus are pretty big the old ones were one of the more affordable small wagon designs around. Even without the AWD they were kind of a niche vehicle.

Wagons are sort of coming back only we call them crossovers now because people don't want to admit they want a station wagon. Just like a lot of SUVs are essentially minivans with a cooler name.
Wagon's are coming back albeit in limited form; the Dodge Magnum was basically the first "cool" wagon which kicked off the current trend of manufacturers taking a second look at their utility. I wouldn't mind driving something like this:



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Old 04-20-2012, 11:48 AM
 
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Some do some don't
and so do some v8' and I6's while some don't.

So if a 375hp v8 loses 30% at 12 thousand feet it still has more hp than a subie at any altitude.
I think you were better off comparing it to a non turbo equipped 4 banger.

Even with a turbo you see a loss at altitude but it is mitigated by the turbo.


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At altitude, having a turbo is better than not having a turbo. Much like at sea level :-) .
Whether a turbo performs the same at altitude as at sea level depends on the type of boost control it has. The turbo compresses the intake gasses. What matters is how this compression is controlled.
_Relative _ Boost: One way the turbo compression, or boost, can be regulated is by adding B to the ambient pressure, A. B is fixed. The induction pressure is I = A + B.
Eg. 1, B = 8 psi, A = 15 psi (sea level), so the engine is getting gasses at 23 psi.
Eg. 2, B = 8 psi, A = 12 psi (on top of mesa), so the engine is getting intake gasses at 20 psi.
In this mode of regulation, the turbocharged engines will suffer performance loss with altitude, just like a conventional induction engine.
_Absolute_ Boost: Another way of regulating turbo boost is by adding whatever charge is necessary to the ambient intake air to compress it up to I where as before I = A + B, but now I is constant, and the boost, B is controlled to compensate for changes in ambient pressure, A.

Please ignore what I say, because I have only been building boosted motors for 30 years.

The standard way to regulate a turbo is utilizing a waste-gate. A turbo is a constant-pressure device, as opposed to a constant-volume device (i.e. classic roots, etc). The turbo compensates for altitude by spinning faster at high altitudes, to maintain constant pressure. This is aircraft-101.
Limiting boost (other than staying within the other factors of compression ratio, gas quality, etc) makes no sense (unless you worry about fuel economy), if the demand is requested (and the motor limits are not exceeded).

(As an aside, posts that are made from those simply cutting and pasting, i.e from here: Turbo FAQs are really annoying to those that have first-hand experience. Hint. But I have learned the MO).
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:01 PM
 
Location: Cedar City, Utah
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I see mostly Foresters here in southern Utah. I was thinking about gettling an Impreza when I was shopping for a car, but never saw any on the road and I ended up getting a mazda 3 skyactiv (wanted that 40 mpg) I thought I would see more awd vehicles in my area, since we get alot of snow (5,800 elevation) but I don't.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:57 PM
 
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Lots of Subarus in Washington DC and Northern Virginia.
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Old 04-20-2012, 12:58 PM
 
Location: Holmdel, NJ
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ive noticed a good amount of them in nj these days. i think the forester stands out the most to me. im including it in my considering to replace my rav4 (new rav4 is also being considered and anything in that class). big negatives for the subaru is that i dont love how it looks and i dont like the radio commercials.
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Old 04-20-2012, 01:12 PM
 
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You know, there are other cars that do the job that a Subaru can do. There are many demographic studies attached to Subarus. They are often driven by educated liberals who like the outdoors, or pretend to. You will see them in any college town, and it's "ivory tower" professors and workers at the colleges who drive them....Ann Arbor, Madison, Eugene, Boulder. It's a well-known fact that Subarus are popular among lesbians. Lesbians seem to love college towns, too. So, the demographic relationships start becoming circular.

Heck, a four-door Ford Fusion with a 4-cylinder is as reliable (check the consumer guides) as is any Subaru sedan if the AWD is not a must. It just doesn't make a statement.
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