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The Ranger with a diesel is the truck I've been waiting for....until I drove one. A friend from Oz brought his to the states with the military and he let me drive it. It's the oddest feeling driving from the wrong side of the truck but you can get accustomed to it. Unfortunately, the build quality is near junk. Rattles like an old Model T, fenders are paper thin, just cheap all over. But I did like the diesel. More than enough power, probably on par with the 4.0 V6 that came in the US Ranger. Fuel mileage US was just over 34 while he was here. Nissan makes the Navara in a diesel and Toyota builds the Hi Lux with a diesel, but you can't have one. All of the makers claim there is no market for diesels in the USA. Diesel engine certification is expensive in the US.
Say what again? And you're from Texas and you think pickups are almost exclusively work vehicles? Maybe I missed the sarcasm. I must have missed the sarcasm. I really hope there was supposed to be sarcasm. I'm scared.
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He said: "and to answer your second question . . ." So you need to read what the second question was to understand the answer. The second question had nothing to do with Texas, they were talking about Europe. "I thought they hated our pick up trucks in Europe anyway. Whats with that?" Texas is in the United States it is not part of Europe.
Well Coldjensens answered it for me, in Sweden (the whole of Scandinavia really, if not Europe), they're used almost exclusively as work trucks, hardly anyone buys pickups as daily drivers or second vehicles, box vans are far more popular for that purpose (and as work vehicles, but that's another matter), with the Toyota HiAce being the predominant model.
I wish ford Could "woo" Cummins away from Dodge and offer something like a 4.5 Liter direct injected 4 cylinder I-4 turbo diesel in the F-150 that would be a huge seller and be a massive hit here in North America and a big advantage to Ford in the 1/2 ton PU market segment.
I could see that idea, but that's a lot of engine when a 3/4-ton is offered.
I see $54k Raptors and $44k '11 Platinum F-150 5.0 CrewCabs on dealer lots. Lord knows what a diesel models with beefed up underpinnings would sell for. Oh, yeah, probably what a Super Duty sells for...ish.
A lot of guys in the Ford truck forums wanted that Navistar 4.5L v6 (yeah, 3/4's of that awful 6.0L) under the hood of an F-150. Even a 9.75" rear axle and 4r100 weren't holding that. Pointless. Get an F-250 for that.
. All of the makers claim there is no market for diesels in the USA. Diesel engine certification is expensive in the US.
And yet VW sells every TDI they bring over at a premium. There is no negotiation, no incentives, and just you try to find a good used one for less than ruinous money.
If you want to see what we are missing, get a copy of Top Gear magazine, and flip to the back. Read the mileage figures of the cars, subtract 20% for the imperial gallon, and prepare to feel a bit, as my British wife would say, seen off. And for those who think diesels mean slow, keep in mind those same diesels ply the motorways at 70+ mph all day long.
I would love to see the new Ranger here. And yes it would sell, the Ranger is rated in UK standards at 42.2 mpg highway (33.76 in US US gallons).
I wish ford Could "woo" Cummins away from Dodge and offer something like a 4.5 Liter direct injected 4 cylinder I-4 turbo diesel in the F-150 that would be a huge seller and be a massive hit here in North America and a big advantage to Ford in the 1/2 ton PU market segment.
If that engine would be so popular, why isn't Dodge using it?
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And for those who think diesels mean slow, keep in mind those same diesels ply the motorways at 70+ mph all day long.
I doubt that few people mean top speed when they talk about how slow a diesel is.
I doubt that few people mean top speed when they talk about how slow a diesel is.
I owned a diesel for a while , 84 Escort, getting her up to speed was a challenge but it was fast enough to be safe. And the worst mileage I ever got was 33 mpg, best was 58.
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I thought Ford was an American company
+++ Ford is a multinational conglomerate.
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We get the outdated model, while the Swedes get the new one.
+++ We get the one made in northam that looks like a truck and they get the one made in thailand that looks like a car. Llllucky them.
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And of course its a diesel which will probably never make it stateside anyway.
+++ You might want to have a word with the oil companies about that one. They're the ones who bought the legislation that made offering small turbo oil burners prohibitively expensive.
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I thought they hated our pick up trucks in Europe anyway. Whats with that?
+++ What gives you that impression? European roads are very narrow in places. They never heard of building setbacks over there. There's buildings inches from the road. They aren't wide enough for our gargantuan supersized vehicles. But our fullsize trucks (esp. ram) do have a loyal following amongst some in the UK and are often imported (expensive) and rediculously expensive to fuel.
If that engine would be so popular, why isn't Dodge using it?
I doubt that few people mean top speed when they talk about how slow a diesel is.
My guess is Chrysler/Dodge have to unload all those 5.7 Liter Hemi gasser V-8's in their half-ton truck line up... And are not as large (to take such a risk) as ford...A risk that would cut into their more expensive heavy duty truck sales by offering 1/2 tons with a cummins diesel...
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