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Old 10-01-2007, 05:00 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Yes, the definition of "bulky" would vary in different decades. However, many larger modern cars (Audi, Mercedes, BMW) weigh about the same as some of the '60s muscle cars. A typical '60s muscle car weighed about 3,600 lbs.
The flagships from Mecedes, BMW and Mercedes can weigh as much as 1,000 lbs more than that.

Mercedes S-Class curb weight: approx: 4,300lbs

Audi A8L curb weight: approx 4,400lbs

BMW 7-series: approx: 4,800lbs
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Old 10-01-2007, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Alabama!
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For those saying the BMW 3 Series was not that good driving then try the sports package and you WILL see a difference.
I did...no thanks. Not worth the extra money.
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:01 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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The flagships from Mecedes, BMW and Mercedes can weigh as much as 1,000 lbs more than that.

Mercedes S-Class curb weight: approx: 4,300lbs

Audi A8L curb weight: approx 4,400lbs

BMW 7-series: approx: 4,800lbs
Wow... that sounds bulky to me, especially compared to the 3,600-lb '60s muscle cars.
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Old 10-01-2007, 10:35 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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Wow... that sounds bulky to me, especially compared to the 3,600-lb '60s muscle cars.
Actually; many of the 1960's muscle cars weighed closer to 4,000 lbs as in the 1968+ GM intermediates, 426 Hemi Chargers, etc. Heck, the 1967 Olds 442 was about 3,700 lbs.

Things like the 1968-69 Ply Road Runner may have weighed and honest 3,500 lbs. without such things as in AC, PS, etc.
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:35 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Actually; many of the 1960's muscle cars weighed closer to 4,000 lbs as in the 1968+ GM intermediates, 426 Hemi Chargers, etc. Heck, the 1967 Olds 442 was about 3,700 lbs.

Things like the 1968-69 Ply Road Runner may have weighed and honest 3,500 lbs. without such things as in AC, PS, etc.
Yeah, I know the Hemi-cars were heavy. A '68 Dodge Charger R/T with the Hemi weighed 4,035 lbs (yet still managed to run a 13.5 sec/ 105 mph 1/4 mile on those skinny '60s tires). And a '71 Hemi Charger weighed 4,083 lbs (and ran a 13.73 sec/ 104 mph 1/4 mile).

The lightest of the muscle cars were about 3,500 lbs, so maybe the average was more like 3,750 lbs?
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Old 10-01-2007, 11:49 PM
 
Location: San Francisco
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My two cents for the gentlemen (and any ladies if I missed them...)

I currently own a 2006 BMW 330i (with Sports Package-a MUST have!) and I absolutely love it! (I love the drive)

My brother owns a 2005 Audi A6 and he loves his car too. (My brother loves his interior and sound system)

My parents own a 2007 Mercedes S550 Sedan and they both love it. (My parents love the interior and powerful ride)

Neither of us have had any problems with our fine automobiles. I think it all comes down to what the specific owner/driver wants in a vehicle.

If you're looking for THE BEST ride, my vote goes with the BMW hands down. I've test driven all the comparables and I did it in the same day so I could make a good assessment of how they all handled and felt. Obviously I was looking the the "Ultimate Ride" so I chose my Bimmer over the competition. Sure Acura and Lexus tout overall better reliability ratings but I wasn't concerned about reliability as much as I was the driving experience in which I felt they couldn't compete with BMW.

So all in all...I think it comes down to a matter of personal preference....otherwise we'll all be here for days/weeks/months...even years telling each other how "better" one car is over the other...
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:00 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Wow... that sounds bulky to me, especially compared to the 3,600-lb '60s muscle cars.
Maybe so, but depending on make and model, these things have anywhere from 400 up to 600+ horsepower to move all that mass along. The Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG is king with a 6L twin-turbo V12 and brake discs the size of manhole covers to rein it all in. Now remember, that 600HP is net; measured by 60s methods it would probably be over 800. That's good enough to move the thing from naught to 60 in 4.2sec, 0-100 in 9.4, 1/4 in 12.4@118, and those great big brakes will haul it down from 70 in 157 feet; from 60 in 113 feet. And all that will only run you 180 grand.
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Old 10-02-2007, 12:55 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Maybe so, but depending on make and model, these things have anywhere from 400 up to 600+ horsepower to move all that mass along. The Mercedes-Benz S65 AMG is king with a 6L twin-turbo V12 and brake discs the size of manhole covers to rein it all in. Now remember, that 600HP is net; measured by 60s methods it would probably be over 800. That's good enough to move the thing from naught to 60 in 4.2sec, 0-100 in 9.4, 1/4 in 12.4@118, and those great big brakes will haul it down from 70 in 157 feet; from 60 in 113 feet. And all that will only run you 180 grand.
At that price, too bad they aren't reliable.

Besides, I would rather have something like a 427 Yenko Camaro (mid-11s), or a Motion-Baldwin 454 Camaro (high-11s) or a Max Wedge 426 Mopar and/or Ford 427 Thunderbolt (high-11s/low-12s). Of course, those cars are very expensive, too (if you can even find them).

BTW, several of those '60s cars could stop in the 110-120 foot bracket from 60 mph. Motor Trend (April, 1969) got an average 60-0 mph braking figure of 116.7 feet for a '69 Chrysler Imperial (which weighed 4,980 lbs).
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Old 10-06-2007, 01:42 AM
 
Location: San Diego, CA
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I have to put my opinion in here. Probably going to get disargeement from a lot of you, but I have to give it to Audi.

First of all, I'm pretty mad at BMW right now... Between Chris Bangle's flame surfacing and the executive decision to make the car a mainstream luxury make, I think the brand's had some serious damage done to it. It's not about the quality of their new cars, handling, or anything else for me that I have a bone to pick with. I'll be the first to admit that BMW's putting out some good stuff and I can't say that they make bad cars. As a classic bimmer enthusiast, I say that BMW makes bad BMW's. The goal used to be a driver's car with little emphasis on the looks or lines, keeping the car's appearance rather spartan. They were pricey because they drove well, not because they were "luxury," persay, even the old 7's can have this said about them to some degree. Now, it's the new money's best friend, with "hey, look at me!" styling that's meant to do nothing other than look expensive. Many of these "hey, look at me" people claim to love BMW, but then shun the older makes since they're "ugly," overlooking the real point they're supposed to be in a driver's car. Kind of reminds me of the guy that gets a Ferrari but complains that it's hard to park, you know? One day I'd love to get my hands on an E24 6-series and restore it... because that's a beautiful BMW to me.

Benz is an offender as well, although they don't grate on me quite as much for some reason. But look at a 1970's SL class... compared to, say, anything American at the time, they looked like something else that was never seen before, and really used to amaze me with the styling, while still looking German, classical, and proper. Now, they look like some rapper's dream minus the wheels.

I guess the reason that I think Audi is the purest is because the lines are the least complicated and they're the most conservative looking to me - since German cars are historically conservative and masculine looking, it has stayed truest in my opinion in terms of styling.

Not surprisingly, I've become a pretty big Volvo enthusiast over the past few years and will probably always buy Volvo from now on. Even the new "wilder" looking Volvos are still unmistakably Volvo. They seem to speak my language.
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Old 10-06-2007, 02:28 AM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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Benz is an offender as well, although they don't grate on me quite as much for some reason. But look at a 1970's SL class... compared to, say, anything American at the time, they looked like something else that was never seen before, and really used to amaze me with the styling, while still looking German, classical, and proper. Now, they look like some rapper's dream minus the wheels.
Well, the Mercede's of the '70s had a boxy appearance. Unlike some American cars like the of that era like the '70-'75 Pontiac Grand Prix, Cadillac Eldorado, Chevrolet Monte Carlo, Dodge Charger, etc.
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