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Old 04-23-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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Design News - Captain Hybrid - Chevy Volt Owners: We'd Do It Again
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Old 04-23-2013, 10:06 PM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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All is quiet on the GUBERMENT MOTORS front.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:02 PM
 
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When Nobody Wants To Buy The Best Car Of The Year - Forbes

So, they're selling fewer than expected and there are cheaper alternatives. No thanks.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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Originally Posted by EVAunit1981 View Post
March 3, 2012..
Whats today's date?

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Chevy Volt sales triple in 2012
January 4, 2013:
Chevy Volt sales are cranking up. General Motors sold three times as many Chevrolet Volts in 2012 as it did in 2011, which was the car's first full year on the market.
GM sold 23,461 Volts in 2012 compared with just 7,671 in 2011. While it's an impressive jump, the Volt is still one of Chevy's lowest-selling cars. However, the Volt greatly outdid the Corvette, for instance, of which only 14,000 were sold last year.
Its 2012 sales also put the Volt well ahead of its nearest competitor, the Nissan Leaf. Nissan sold about 9,800 Leafs in 2012, an increase of just 1.5% over 2011. Still, Nissan pointed out, it was a record year for Leaf sales.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/01/03/auto...les/index.html
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GM Plans To Boost Chevy Volt Production 20 Percent In 2013
Feb 28, 2013
After a difficult first year in 2011, during which Chevrolet sold a mere 7,671 Volts, sales of the vehicle shot up to a respectable 23,461 car sales for 2012 — driven largely by consumer demand reacting to high gas prices. According to the Washington Post (hat tip to Treehugger) that surge looks likely to continue: General Motors will be upping 2013′s production to 36,000 units.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...rcent-in-2013/
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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Consumer Reports is about as useful as teats on a boar. Even so, I hope that electric & hybrid technology continues to develop to the point that it's viable and helpful.
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Old 04-24-2013, 12:30 PM
 
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The Volt was a quantum leap in automotive design. I followed its development from its introduction in 2007 as a concept all the way to the final production-ready car. I even got to tour the pre-production facility and see the car in pieces as well as to get a good look at the drivetrain components.

You've got to remember that when GM was developing this car, they had a HUGE hurdle to cross.
1: The consumer viewed GM as yet another American automaker who made nothing but big trucks and SUVs, despite this being far from the truth.
2: There had been a long-standing perception that all American cars were unreliable and shoddily produced
3: GM was not doing so well financially at that time
4: Developing a car with a Li-Ion battery was unheard of at the time for a major manufacture. The amount of engineering required was immense.

In the end they delivered a fantastic product and more importantly the car made a huge statement that yes, American car companies can make highly innovative, high-quality, and reliable cars. So far it has done exactly what it was supposed to do. As a Prius owner I am very impressed with the Volt. I intend to buy a used one as soon as enough of them are on the market.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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I love my 2013 Volt. It's my daily driver and as the weather warms up, I'm getting upwards of 50 miles on a charge, even though I tend to only drive about 20-25 miles a day for commuting and errand running. I'm not using gas at all for over 90% of my driving (long distance trips still use gas) and it's nice to not be paying for gas for daily driving. And, my electric bill (I'm on a monthly billing cycle and would like to go to a Time of Use plan, as I tend to charge during off-peak hours) has NOT gone up with the car on it. I was expecting about a $20 a month increase in the bill, but it uses very little electricity.

I don't drive like a grandma, so I could do even better on electric use than I do. I tend to use the luxurious rush of pure electric torque as often as I can, as it's fun.






The car is well built, and I find it more solid and luxurious than a lot of car sout there, and in keeping with it's price tag (which, after incentives, was under $30k) So far I've put on 3200 miles in a little over a month and a half.



Chevy's big problem with the car is that they have zero clue as to how to market it, and salespeople at the dealerships in general don't know anything about it or the factory lease programs. Most of the real marketing has been word of mouth, which is why it's taking so long to get sales off the ground. As people learn about the car and drive the car, they tend to buy it.

This car was started back in 2006, by Bob Lutz, while Bush 43 was in office. Lutz is a serious car guy who realized that there was going to be a shift in how cars were propelled and was determined to make the shift not only practical, but fun. He felt that the US could leapfrog the Prius with a higher tech offering that gave 80% of the public whet it needed in an EV while providing a gas generator backup for that other 20% of the time. Lutz proposed a Lithium Ion battery pack that gave real power, unlike the nickel ones used in hybrids and the lead acid in earlier EVs. Problem was, the tech didn't exist when he proposed it in '06.

The fact that it does now, and works as well as it does, is a testament to the team (many members of which were involved with the EV1 project, as well) And the fact that there's now over 35,000 privately owned Volts is testament to how well it works.
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Old 04-24-2013, 03:21 PM
 
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The Volt was a quantum leap in automotive design. .
But, at the end of the day, it still is an expensive, subsidized, slug of a car with very little consumer interest.

If somone can ever overcome the oil company's stranglehold on a non fossil fuel car, i would think something which looked stylish, ran 300-400 miles on a charge, sat two comfortably but held four for short drives, and was priced around $20,000 would fly off the shelves.

THAT would be a quantum leap forward in automotive design.
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:08 PM
 
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Consumer Reports is about as useful as teats on a boar.
So you're saying Consumer Reports is more useful than you?
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But, at the end of the day, it still is an expensive, subsidized, slug of a car with very little consumer interest.
Which part of 23,000 sales per year did you not comprehend?

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Year-To-Date sales in the US (Jan 1, 2012 – Sept 1, 2012)

**Chevrolet VOLT – 13,497**
Nissan Quest Minivan – 13,324
Volkswagen CC – 13,049
Honda Crosstour – 12,857
Lexus CT200h – 12,417
Volvo XC60 – 12,189
Nissan Xterra – 12,092
Nissan Armada – 12,002
Mazda 2 (all) – 11,973
Audi A6 (all) – 11,844
Audi A5 (all) – 11,411
Nissan Altima Hybrid – 11,320
Mazda CX7 – 11,187
Mini Clubman/Coupe/Roadster/Convertible (combined) – 10,742
Range Rover Sport – 9,949
Dodge Caliber (all) – 9,843
Corvette (all) – 9,219
Honda Ridgeline – 9,169
Porsche Cayenne (all) – 8,964
Mazda 5 (all) – 8,861
Toyota FJ Cruiser – 8,733
Subaru WRX (incl STi)- 8,450
Toyota Sequoia (all) – 8,273
Lexus RX450h Hybrid – 7,917
BMW 7-series (all) – 7,639
Scion XD (all) – 7,483
VW Routan (all) – 7,424
Mercedes S-Class (all) – 7,289
Ford Fusion Hybrid – 7,168
Kia Optima Hybrid – 7,005
VW Golf TDi Diesel – 7,002
Lexus GX (all) – 6,772
BMW X5 Diesel – 6,679……<<– VOLT has sold DOUBLE or more
Volvo XC90 (all) – 6,478
Audi Q7 (all) – 6,291
VW Touareg (all) – 6,284
Smart (all) – 6,281
Infiniti M (all) – 6,259
Porsche 911 (all) – 6,145
Hyundai Veracruz – 6,116
Toyota Prius PHEV – 6,068
Infiniti FX (all) – 5,803
Nissan 370Z (all) – 5,663
Audi A7 (all) – 5,531
Range Rover – 5,490
Mercedes CLS (all) – 5,400
Porsche Panamera (all) – 5,378
Nissan Cube – 5,297
Honda Civic Hybrid – 5,168
BMW 1-series (all) – 5,020
Lincoln MKT (all) – 4,990
Lincoln Navigator (all) – 4,976
Audi A3 (all) – 4,944
Land Rover LR4 – 4,885
BMW 6-series (all) – 4,873
Honda Insight Hybrid – 4,801
VW EOS (all) – 4,799
Mazda Miata (all) – 4,576
Lexus LS (all) – 4,358……<<– VOLT has sold TRIPLE or more
Nissan Leaf – 4,228
Toyota Highlander Hybrid – 3,969
Jaguar XF (all) – 3,951
Mercedes ML350 BlueTec Diesel – 3,933
BMW X6 (all) – 3,614
Volvo XC70 (all) – 3,578
Volvo C70 (all) – 3,530
Jaguar XJ (all) – 3,515
Audi A8 (all) – 3,419
Lexus LX (all) – 3,388……<<– VOLT has sold QUADRUPLE or more
Honda CRZ Hybrid – 3,126
Mercedes SLK (all) – 2,872
Acura TSX Wagon – 2,736
Mercedes SL (all) – 2,628……<<– VOLT has sold 5X or more
Volvo S80 (all) – 2,442
Infiniti EX (all) – 2,227……<< 6X
Land Rover LR2 – 2,038
Volvo C30 – 1,967
Mercedes E350 BlueTec Diesel – 1,823
Toyota Land Cruiser – 1,767……<< 7X
BMW Z4 (all) – 1,765
Audi TT (all) – 1,512……<< 8X
Mercedes R-Class (all) – 1,416……<< 9X
Porsche Boxster (all) – 1,363
Ford Escape Hybrid – 1,248……<< 10X
Jaguar XK (all) – 1,080
Nissan GT-R – 849
BMW 335d Diesel – 711
Acura ZDX – 594
Mercedes CL-Class (all) – 490
Porsche Cayman (all) – 429
Lexus GS450h Hybrid – 338
Acura RL – 295
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Old 04-24-2013, 04:23 PM
 
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But, at the end of the day, it still is an expensive, subsidized, slug of a car with very little consumer interest.
First of all, the Volt was first introduced as a concept in 2007, and was pretty much fully developed before GM's bailout.

Second of all, yes- its 40,000. But a lot of cars cost a hell of a lot more then that, and none of those have this sort of drivetrain. Technology initially costs a lot yet still sells. VCRs at one time cost anywhere from $2,000-$1,500 in late 70,s dollars. Now a DVD player is $30.

Third of all, the cars are now selling quite well. As mentioned above, they are selling a lot better that an awful lot of others and in the EU, they are the best-selling electric vehicle, which incidentally sells these as actual imports made in the US.
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