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Old 04-29-2013, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee Summit 4x4 EcoDiesel vs. 2013 Mercedes-Benz ML350 BlueTec vs. Porsche Cayenne Diesel vs. Volkswagen Touareg TDI - Luxury Diesel SUV Comparison - Motor Trend

The GC once again proves to be best in clas.
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Old 04-29-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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Motor trend.

For the right money, they will print anything.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:16 AM
 
Location: O'Hara Twp.
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This comparison is insane. The price of the Porsche is 92,000. The VW and the Jeep are at least priced similarly. The Benz is about 8,000 which to me is a big jump. Personally, I love the interior of the VW. However, they are both priced so close to the BMW my brain won't let me pick another car when the BMW is the same price.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:23 AM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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This comparison is insane. The price of the Porsche is 92,000. The VW and the Jeep are at least priced similarly. The Benz is about 8,000 which to me is a big jump. Personally, I love the interior of the VW. However, they are both priced so close to the BMW my brain won't let me pick another car when the BMW is the same price.
If you're looking at the price, you can't afford one.

At least half the large euro SUVs (GL, ML, X5, Cayenne etc) running around west LA are diesels.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: We_tside PNW / CO / SA TX / Thailand
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Beemer wins on all accounts that I've seen (international).

Then there are REAL diesel SUVs that are superb at off-road trekking. (available anywhere in the world, except... USA and Canada)

I would just go for a Unimog. (and get an 'inclusive' tractor / truck UTILITY vehicle too... tad SHORT on luxury) https://www.google.com/search?q=unim...w=1280&bih=532

A TDI Vanagon Westy Synchro is another highly USEFUL 4x4 SUV.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Vana...w=1280&bih=532
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:48 AM
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The more interesting thing here to me is that the VM Motori A630 engine used in the JGC in the comparo is being given very serious consideration to be made an optional engine in the Ram 1500. That would make Ram the first 1500 series truck to offer a diesel option, something 1500 series buyers have been begging for for a long time. The engine turned over 26 mpg in the JGC, that could mean those numbers would be easily hit in a Ram 1500 (or better if you dropped the 4WD) while returning 10k+ towing capability. VM Motori is a very good diesel manufacturer. They are owned 50% by FIAT and 50% by GM. The "GM" 2.0L diesel that is coming to the US in the Cruze is a VM Motori unit.

As for the comparo itself, I still don't see the non-Jeep faithful actively cross-shopping the JGC with the Touareg, Cayenne, ML, X5, etc. The top end JGC edges into that territory, but it's just not viewed in that class in the market. People see a JGC, even one that costs $55k and they don't think "luxury SUV" like they do with the others in the comparo group. While the current uptrim JGC comports itself well and is competitive, a lot of that has as much to do with the perceived value as anything else.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:05 AM
 
Location: O'Hara Twp.
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If you're looking at the price, you can't afford one.

At least half the large euro SUVs (GL, ML, X5, Cayenne etc) running around west LA are diesels.
The Cayenne buyer is much different than the rest. Probably they make 300,000 a year which is what the median 911 buyer makes. The median for all BMW buyers is around 160,000. Not everyone that makes 160,000 can drop 60,000 on a car without thinking about it. The median income for the 3 series is 140,000.

Few people actually buy BMWs. Most lease them.
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:11 AM
 
Location: anywhere but Seattle
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The more interesting thing here to me is that the VM Motori A630 engine used in the JGC in the comparo is being given very serious consideration to be made an optional engine in the Ram 1500.
Its not under consideration, its a done deal.
2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel V6 | Diesel Pickup Truck | Ram Trucks
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Old 04-29-2013, 10:22 AM
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Its not under consideration, its a done deal.
2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel V6 | Diesel Pickup Truck | Ram Trucks
Very cool. I hadn't heard it was official yet. The last vocational truck show I was at, they had one of the prototypes, but said it was still under consideration. Makes sense as there is no point in getting the engine approved just to use it for the JGC. There are some rumors that it may find its way into the Charger/300 as well as it's one of the main engines being used in the Lancia Thema (Euro version of the 300). That would make for a very compelling package and may be one of the few ways they could hit newer EPA targets with that platform.
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