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Except the civic does a quarter in 17 seconds while the Challenger can do it in the 13's and Mustang GT's can break 12's. These are very strong numbers and was supercar territory not too long ago. We can be honest, from a performance/styling perspective the Challenger is a much better car than the Civic.
They're not as far off as you think. A 98 civic SI runs the 1/4 about the same time as the base SXT - and that's comparing a 15 year old econo-box to a brand new muscle car. I think the poster that said these challenger is an anachronism hit the nail on the head. In today's context a v8 muscle car that gets bad gas mileage and runs mid 5's 0-60 and a 14+ second quarter mile is goofy.
You know, what I'm really struggling with here is the idea that these are really "muscle cars" - They would have been 40 years ago, when their target buyer was probably a teenager. Now, they are for the most part cars that are meant to look or sound faster than they actually are. Which is basically the same thing the kid driving the 1998 civic with the loud exhaust and 2' wing is doing, just with less money to spend.
Yep, this is definitely a poesur car that is only trying to look like a 70's muscle car but doesn't have the cahones to back it up, just like a ricer Civic.
You also get about 26 MPG highway in either the R/T or SRT vs the 70's challenger's 7 or 8 MPG.
Yep, this is definitely a poesur car that is only trying to look like a 70's muscle car but doesn't have the cahones to back it up, just like a ricer Civic.
I'm not sure why you're not seeing the similarities. I still think the R/T drivers are just older ricers with more money, buying a car that looks and sounds like fast car when it's not even competitive across segments on performance. The SRT can hold it's own and is nothing to sneeze at. The R/T on the other hand is meant to evoke the feeling of the performance model, but doesn't stand out on its own.
What pedantry on display in this thread. Trying to convince people who enjoy a car they don't really enjoy it while displaying one's skill at magazine test report reading.
This is like telling a person who's laughing at the Three Stooges that they aren't funny.
I'm not sure why you're not seeing the similarities. I still think the R/T drivers are just older ricers with more money, buying a car that looks and sounds like fast car when it's not even competitive across segments on performance...
Moral of the story...mkarch hates R/T's, compares SXT's to Civics, might like SRT's...and well, sometimes doesn't make much sense while bashing some model in the Challenger lineup.
OK, for those who missed it, here's whar happened:
I made my quarter mile straightaway in 0.9 seconds. My exhaust noise blew out eardrums and light bulbs as far away as Barstow and my flame trail was visible from the international space station.
When they arrived, the cops gave me thumbs up and Chrysler sent me a fat check for my efforts. I also scored with three hot Swedish babes in my back seat right afterwards and my dog got it on with three poodles.
Finally, I was crowned as the new king of Monaco, so I have to update my signature.
I'm not sure what happened to mkarch, but there was a Subaru shaped black spot on the road that may or may not have been him.
They're not as far off as you think. A 98 civic SI runs the 1/4 about the same time as the base SXT - and that's comparing a 15 year old econo-box to a brand new muscle car. I think the poster that said these challenger is an anachronism hit the nail on the head. In today's context a v8 muscle car that gets bad gas mileage and runs mid 5's 0-60 and a 14+ second quarter mile is goofy.
In the real world, most buyers are considering far more than just the raw numbers.
If we want to bench race, sure, an aging Civic Si will look competitive.
Now, if we were to drive them back to back with the consideration of what we would be happy to live with as owner for a number of years, things change. Even comparing a new Civic (or WRX, Mazdaspeed3, or other smaller pocket rocket) to the Challenger is going to reveal to very different types of cars... different in how they steer, ride, handly, how loud or quiet they are from a road noise/wind noise standpoint, different engine tone and note, ergonomics, roominess, etc etc.
As such, they appeal to a variety of buyers.
Therefore, having a large 2 ton plus coupe with a big V8 and correspondingly lower gas mileage is not goofy. It is aimed for the person who needs, or wants the attributes which come with a larger, heavier, more expensive car.
These cars are all niche market vehicles, tailored to specific buyers who want specific things. None are any more, or less goofy than the next, and all are appropriate for the person who is satisfied with the specific traits they offered.
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