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Old 08-07-2013, 03:01 PM
 
Location: White House, TN
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Uh, you realize that in 1949 most cars didn't have overhead valves or much more than a 3 speed stick shift. (unsynchronized low gear!) ... well before Sputnik if you know what that was. 1960 was over 50 years ago and even 1983 was 30 years ago?

Your cell phone is in some ways bigger and faster than a room full of 1950-1960s computers...and this is surprising, funny, and important how?

How cool is your Accord for cruisin' on Friday night? How many others have the same car? What have you done to make it faster and cooler? Don't take it wrong...just wonderin'

(and I think the results listed are the cars they tested each year, not all cars...)
It's not as "cool" as a GTO or something, but it is a very classy car. And 1983 was 9 years before I was born . I do see clones of my car quite often... , but the package I have, the White Diamond Pearl with the top trim and V6, is kind of rare
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:21 PM
 
Location: Old Bellevue, WA
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The Dodge Dart also appears to beat the Lamborghini. Hmmm.

If you want fast 0-60. get a motorcycle. Even a Dodge Dart will not be able to keep up. A slow motorcycle is faster than a fast car.

Motorcycle 0-60 & Quarter Mile Times | Kawasaki, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha 0 to 60 Acceleration Sports Bike Specs & More!
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Old 08-07-2013, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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Don't you mean cars in 1949 didn't have overhead cams? Weren't these engines pushrod engines, which by definition are overhead valve designs?
Not necessarily. Still a lot of flatheads back then.
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Old 08-07-2013, 08:34 PM
 
Location: WNC
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The Dodge Dart also appears to beat the Lamborghini. Hmmm.

If you want fast 0-60. get a motorcycle. Even a Dodge Dart will not be able to keep up. A slow motorcycle is faster than a fast car.

Motorcycle 0-60 & Quarter Mile Times | Kawasaki, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha 0 to 60 Acceleration Sports Bike Specs & More!
But then you would have to do that gay two-fingers-with-the-left-arm-sticking-out wave that riders do. Because motorcycles.
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Old 08-08-2013, 12:27 AM
 
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Don't you mean cars in 1949 didn't have overhead cams? Weren't these engines pushrod engines, which by definition are overhead valve designs?
Link below shows a V-8 flathead Ford block ...no pushrods here... used from 1932 (!!!) through 1953.

File:The Valve In Block Design or Flathead Block.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ford flathead V8 engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The '49 Oldsmobile (how many people don't recall that marque?), and its GM sister Cadillac, are generally credited with 'first' modern US mass produced overhead valve (pushrod) V-8, then rated at 135 HP . There may have been others earlier...

File:Pushrod engine.jpg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Overhead valve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The flathead Fords, and sibling Mercuries (remember them?), were popular as early 'hot rods' since they were cheap, fast for the day, and could be modified with available speed equipment add ons. Soon people started installing the bigger OHV motors like the Olds/Caddy into lighter bodied cars like Ford/Chevy and hot rodding 'evolved'. Hot rod - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Generally (IIRC...) these modified cars were often the fastest (and 'coolest') things of that era...and mechanical 'adding machines' were the computers of the day. Adding machine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 08-08-2013, 03:54 AM
 
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A bit dated but some interesting stats.


Quarter Mile, 1/4 mile, car performance comparison
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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What about the '62 Pontiac Catalina, the '63/'64/'66/'67 Corvette, the '69 Hemi Road Runner, the '70 Ford Boss 429 Mustang and the '71 Charger Hemi Super Bee?
I did not look at all of those, I just picked the 71 Charger becasue it was easy to find. 0-60 in 5.7 is decent, but not really quick by today standards. The base 6 cylinder mustangs and Camaros can do that or very close to it. You need to be below 5 seconds to be a quick car today. The real quick muscle cars are below 4 seconds. Even big tanks like the G8 GXP and the CTS-V are below 5 seconds. (For that matter the affordable G8 GT is only a tenth above five seconds and quicker than almost every car in OP's list. There are probably 20 cars or more you can drive or could have driven off the dealers lot today or in the past five years and toast every car on that list. Those are some of the fastest stick cars form that time and they are about equal to most mid to low level/price performance oriented cars of today.
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:26 AM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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How cool is your Accord for cruisin' on Friday night? How many others have the same car? What have you done to make it faster and cooler? Don't take it wrong...just wonderin'

(and I think the results listed are the cars they tested each year, not all cars...)

This is pretty funny, but it is likely the accord has or easily can have a fart bubble muffler and some flames or a plastic stick on spoiler or scoop to make it faster and cooler. It may even have some boom boom subwoofers! You had better believe when that goes by, people turn and point and say "Hey look - an old accord, how cool!"

And hey we are just funning with you Accord guy. An Accord is perfectly logical transportation for a young guy. It probably gets decent mileage and does not smell like a wet dog. However, a classic or a performance vehicle, or a cool cruiser it is not, sorry.
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Old 08-08-2013, 09:31 AM
 
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The Dodge Dart also appears to beat the Lamborghini. Hmmm.

If you want fast 0-60. get a motorcycle. Even a Dodge Dart will not be able to keep up. A slow motorcycle is faster than a fast car.

Motorcycle 0-60 & Quarter Mile Times | Kawasaki, Ducati, Harley-Davidson, Honda, Suzuki, Yamaha 0 to 60 Acceleration Sports Bike Specs & More!
Did you look at the link you posted? It hardly supports your comment. In fact, lots of cars that don't cost an arm and a leg are keeping up with lots of bikes these days.

A zero to 60 time in 4-5 seconds isn't a big deal anymore. Get caught sleeping and lots of cars (even with auto trannys) will flat out run away from a bike for short distances. A bike has to be in the right gear with the revs at the right part of the powerband to realize maximum acceleration and if it isn't the difference is amazing. There are some bike that defy that statement because their powerbands are so wide but those 600cc crotch rockets? There is a reason they run down the road near 5 digit rpm engine speeds all the time. Catch one sitting on 3-4 grand and it's toast unless the rider shift down 2-3 speeds.

For raw speed from a stop if the rider is ready, that is one thing. Just everyday? Lot of bike riders getting embarrassed these days. There are some pickup trucks that will have the bike rider looking for a pull.
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Old 08-08-2013, 12:37 PM
 
Location: Northridge/Porter Ranch, Calif.
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I did not look at all of those, I just picked the 71 Charger becasue it was easy to find. 0-60 in 5.7 is decent, but not really quick by today standards. The base 6 cylinder mustangs and Camaros can do that or very close to it. You need to be below 5 seconds to be a quick car today. The real quick muscle cars are below 4 seconds. Even big tanks like the G8 GXP and the CTS-V are below 5 seconds. (For that matter the affordable G8 GT is only a tenth above five seconds and quicker than almost every car in OP's list. There are probably 20 cars or more you can drive or could have driven off the dealers lot today or in the past five years and toast every car on that list. Those are some of the fastest stick cars form that time and they are about equal to most mid to low level/price performance oriented cars of today.
Maybe you should have picked the other cars, too, not just the Charger!
Remember, though, that '71 Charger ran 0-60 in 5.7 seconds on 1971 tires. It would probably run 1/2 second better with modern radials for both 0-60 mph and the 1/4 mile time.

And since when did a G8 or CTS-V become a "big tank?" A CTS-V is only 191.3", about 5" smaller than the '66 Dart GT V-8 I used to own.

Also remember, the list shows the fastest of only the cars Motor Trend tested.

They did not test 12- or 11-second cars like the '67 427 Nickey Camaro, any Baldwin-Motion Camaro/Chevelle/Nova, '64 Ford Thunderbolt or '62-'63 Max Wedge Mopar.

Along with fast acceleration, the classic cars actually looked like cars, too, not plastic blobs! And certainly would not be mistaken for a Toyota or Honda!
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