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Old 11-15-2007, 08:32 PM
 
Location: Chicago
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I know Dodge has been talking about introducing a new RWD sedan to get back into the police / taxi market . . .
Dodge already offers a Charger police package with the 5.7 Hemi spitting out 340HP. They're not moving very well because a) they're a bit more expensive than a Crown Vic (not outrageously, but when you're buying in fleet quantities it adds up quick), less room in the trunk for equipment, passenger seat area is barely big enough once you put in the divider, not as much room for the computer equipment on the front console (even after Dodge moved the gear shift from the console to the steering column). In other words, just a little too small all around. I wouldn't want to see one of these baddies in my rear-view mirror though...

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Old 11-15-2007, 09:42 PM
 
Location: Suburban-sprawl hell (Columbus)
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The cockpit is large enough for two officers, their computer systems, weapons, and a box of donuts.
LOL! Great post
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Old 11-15-2007, 10:04 PM
 
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Seriously, a Hyundai Elantra can blow the doors off a Crown Vic.
1. no it can't.

2. cops dont necessarily love crown vics. but apparently police departments do because Crown Vics are evidently very much adequate for police work. most cops if i have talked to say that they prefer the Chevy Caprices with the LT1 based engines because they "had more balls", and the 95-96 LT1 Impalas were to die for.

3. most if not all major police departments have a few Camaros and/or Mustangs to quickly run down speeders. it would be very impractical for a city's entire fleet to be made up of super fast, plastic cars with virtually no back seat or trunk space.

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Old 11-15-2007, 10:11 PM
 
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Not necessarily true. FWD is better in the snow/rain/off road/etc, less damaging on the tires due to less wheelspin and oversteer, plus it eliminates driveshaft problems and u-joint problems which Ford vehicles are plagued with. The only downside to FWD cop cars is the trannies are harder to work on than a RWD vehicle, thats about it.
one problem is that a V8 engine is a requirement in order to have an acceptable level of performance for pursuit puposes. in short, unless youre thinking of a fleet of Cadilacs, there arent too many front wheel drive V8s.

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Old 11-15-2007, 10:49 PM
 
Location: Fairbanks Alaska
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Here we have crown vics, and now Expeditions in 4x4 (normally driven by the seargent).
I thought a few years ago Chevy caprice had issues with the antilock breaks and front wheel drive as officers were having accidents. Personally I would not want a FWD vehicle for pursuit. No I am not in the police. Drivnig in winter conditions having a way to control the rear end (via throttle) is better than having to grab the E brake to make a turn. Well set up all wheel drive that is predictable would be a good option if they could get the MPG up to non AWD models.
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Old 11-16-2007, 08:48 AM
 
Location: AZ
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1. no it can't.
Elantra:
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Ford Crown Vic interceptor:
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If you want, Ill throw in the Elantra GT times which are slightly better than the SE model. Fact of the matter is, most of the cars on the road today run 0-60 times around 8 seconds seconds or less, whereas the last test Car and Driver did, a Michigan Crown Vic Interceptor ran it in 8.7 seconds. The best Ive ever seen a Interceptor run 0-60 was 7.8 seconds or something like that, which is a 0-60 time that most econoboxes run. A Toyota Highlander can smoke a Crown Vic Interceptor, thats just wrong. So dont argue unless youre up on your cars, which its apparent youre not. V8 does not = speed anymore. There are LOTS of 4 holers thatll outrun even big V8s, dont kid yourself.
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Old 11-16-2007, 09:47 AM
 
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Excerpts of info. from wikipedia: ford crown victoria interceptor: (long)

It is one of the most widely-used automobiles in North American police departments, and due to the "heavy duty" nature of the vehicle, is also used by many taxi companies. Since Chevrolet dropped the rear-drive Caprice, Ford has had a near-monopoly on the market for police cruisers because of a preference for V8 powered rear-drive cars in North America. In early 2006, DaimlerChrysler released a new police version of the Dodge Charger. General Motors also offers the Chevrolet Impala in a police package (named 9C1 and 9C3), albeit only in a V6-powered front-wheel drive form.

The 2004–2006 Police Interceptor are rated for 250 hp (186 kW) because of the addition of a new air intake system. Standard on the 2006 is a re-designed instrument cluster which now sports a tachometer and digital odometer, amongst other improvements. Kevlar-lined front doors, which might be useful as protective barriers during gun fights, are optional on the Crown Victoria Police Interceptors for the 2006 Model Year.
For 2008, the Crown Victoria is restricted to fleet-only sales, and all Panther platformed cars are now flex-fuel cars.

Contrary to public perception, there are few outstanding differences between the Police Interceptor and standard civilian Crown Victorias. By and large, the Police Interceptor uses the same Ford 4.6L 2V SOHC V8 Ford Modular engine and 4-speed automatic overdrive transmission as the civilian models. The Police Interceptor is equipped with an external oil-to-coolant heat exchanger to help reduce engine oil temperatures to help the vehicles idle for extended lengths of time without overheating. The engine oil coolers are notorious for seeping oil from the o-ring seals after extensive use.
The Police Interceptor also comes with a unique 140 mph (225 km/h) speedometer. The 2006-present Police Interceptors equipped with a 3.55:1 rear axle ratio from the factory are electronically limited to 120 mph (193 km/h) due to the lower driveline critical vehicle speed with the 3.55:1 rear axle ratio, while the Police Interceptors equipped with a 3.27:1 rear axle ratio have generally been limited to approximately 130 mph (209 km/h). Ford used an aluminum metal matrix composite driveshaft for the 1999-early 2001 Police Interceptors as a measure to allow safe operation at over 130 mph (209 km/h), but it was more expensive than the regular aluminum driveshafts. Ford eventually re-introduced the 3.55:1 rear axle ratio in the 2006 model year Police Interceptors, and set the speed limiter at 120 mph (193 km/h) to reduce the risk of driveline failure.
Another difference is Ford's "severe duty" shock absorbers that offer a stiffer ride than the civilian Crown Victoria. They also have black steel wheels with stainless steel or chromed plastic hubcaps.
Police Interceptors will have the characters "P71" as the model code in the VIN, instead of P70 (Stretched wheelbase), P72 (Commercial Heavy Duty / Taxi), P73 (Base), P74 (LX), or P75 (1992 Touring Sedan).
Features that are unique to the Police Interceptor engine calibration are a slightly higher idle speed (approximately 40 rpm higher) and minor changes in the emissions settings. The computer is tuned for more aggressive transmission shift points, and the transmission itself is built for firmer and harder shifts. Police Interceptors also have a reinforced frame and body mounts, an aluminum driveshaft (aluminum metal matrix composite for the 1999-early 2001 model years) and an optional limited slip rear differential. The front seats have a steel "stab plate" built into the back so that a suspect being transported in the back seat cannot stab the officers in the front seat with a knife or other sharp object. All Police Interceptors also come with T-409 stainless steel dual exhaust systems (without resonators); standard Crown Victorias come with a T-409 stainless steel single exhaust system while the Handling and Performance Package and LX Sport equipped Crown Victorias have the same T-409 stainless steel dual exhaust system as the Police Interceptor (with the resonators). The resonators further reduce noise, vibration, and harshness without adding any restriction to the exhaust system. Police Interceptors have higher rate coil springs, approximately 0.8 inches (20.3 mm) of additional ground clearance, and have thinner rear anti-roll bars than the LX Sport or Handling and Performance Package Crown Victorias; the base Crown Victoria does not have a rear anti-roll bar. Also, most Police Interceptors have a break in the front "bench seat" despite having the shifter on the steering column. This gap between seats is generally filled by a console holding radios, controls for emergency equipment, and often a laptop computer used as a mobile data terminal (MDT).
On 2004 and newer models, P71's have a 200 amp (A) alternator and a 78 ampere-hour (Ah) battery.
Ford also offers trunk packages for equipment storage (see below), and as of 2005, has added a fire suppression system to the Police Interceptor.
The bulk of police car modifications, such as installation of emergency lights, sirens, passenger seat dividers and plastic rear bench seats are offered as aftermarket modifications by third parties.
The easiest way to distinguish most P71s is the small "Police Interceptor" badge replacing the standard "Crown Victoria" markings on the rear trunklid, although the Street Appearance Package Police Interceptors forgo the badge to use the standard "Crown Victoria" marking.

Following the criticism of fires following rear-end collisions, 2005 and later model Police Interceptors now come with an optional automatic fire suppression system and special "trunk packs" designed to help prevent trunk contents from piercing the fuel tank in a collision. Each agency must pay an additional $150 for the trunk packs.

There were also some problems with early 2003 Police Interceptors. The newly designed steel wheels would rust prematurely, and the rack and pinion steering units would fail early (sub-10k miles). This was not limited to the Police Interceptor; some 2004 Mercury Marauders were also affected. A recent recall (04M05) affects the steel wheels used on 2003-2005 Police Interceptors.

Ford Motor Company has announced that it is committed to the law enforcement community and that the CVPI will remain in production well into the future.
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Old 11-16-2007, 12:55 PM
 
Location: Texas.
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As usual the contract goes to the lowest bidder.Do you really see any of these model cars being purchased by the general public in any noticable numbers?
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Old 11-16-2007, 01:29 PM
 
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These cars are not offered for sale to the general public. Only sold as fleets. they are popular with law enforcement and for taxis. Many old squads end up as taxis, cause they last so long. And actually, many people want, like and drive retired crown vic squads. They have quite a following.

But yes, you are likely right, the towns go to what is the cheapest. Thus the increasing popularity of the malibus around here now.
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Old 11-16-2007, 05:46 PM
 
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What about a Chrysler 300 police cruiser?

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