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Although panned by critics, 2012 Civic was extremely popular with consumers as Honda sold 317,000 units.
So it hardly bombed. But I am glad Honda listened to the critics and made improvements for the 2013 which convinced me to buy one.
2012 models should be cheaper, too, if that's the route you take - simply because of the 2013 rush-redesign.
How do dirty upholstery, under-inflated tires, non-working radio and rattling affect the long-term reliability of a vehicle?
Dirty upholstery does not, the other ones do. Reliability isn't limited to simply turning the engine over. No objections about the other ones, though? Thank G-d for at least that...
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Unless you bought a former rental or have data that backs up your biased opinion, you are just talking out of your behind.
I'm guessing you are one of those people who asks the question: "Well, you've never done drugs, how do you know they are bad for you?" Good luck with that line of reasoning.
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I do have data.... my own experience owning a former rental, which had 0 problems in the 80,000 miles I owned it. I think I'll trust my own experiences than some stranger on the net who thinks dirty upholstery and broken radio makes them unreliable.
That's not a very representative sample, is it, now? No less anecdotal than my data (possibly more so, in fact, depending on how many vehicles you've rented in your lifetime). Again, trust whomever you want - you have the right to share your opinion, backed, ostensibly, by your experience, and I have the right to share mine. I don't have a dog in this fight, nor do I care what you spend your money on. Given my experience, the last place I would buy a car is at an ex-rental car lot.
So, to get back on track. you drive a lot of miles. I'd pick the one you feel most comfortable in. Most new cars, with some exceptions go a ton of miles with minimal problems IF well cared for. You're a true road warrior. The Sonata is a pretty nice car and would be my choice.
So, to get back on track. you drive a lot of miles. I'd pick the one you feel most comfortable in. Most new cars, with some exceptions go a ton of miles with minimal problems IF well cared for. You're a true road warrior. The Sonata is a pretty nice car and would be my choice.
Yeah, apologies for getting sidetracked. I am in favor of the Koreans if that 100K warranty is transferable. Otherwise, my vote is still Fusion. Or Honda Civic for the gas mileage.
With no stats to support your assertion, nor mine, we're left with opinions. You're free to believe your own and roll the dice (in my opinion), I'll stay happily away from purchasing rentals.
Don't want to belabor the sidetrack too much, but just so we're clear, I don't have an issue with not wanting to buy rental cars after careful consideration of the real benefits vs drawbacks. The article does indeed make a better case than you did. It's a reasoned piece that says it can still make sense for some but for many in the face of other choices like CPO it probably doesn't. I don't have a beef with that. I have no need to promote the idea of considering rental cars. I just think the idea is most often dismissed out of hand due to wildly exaggerated thoughts about rental car treatment.
BTW, directing this back at the thread in general, a Carfax report should (it did in a couple cases I know of) identify rental company use, and you might find that rental stamp to be the case for cars on dealer lots as well. All the cars mentioned in the OP are suspect. Just because it's at a regular dealer doesn't mean it wasn't a rental.
Don't want to belabor the sidetrack too much, but just so we're clear, I don't have an issue with not wanting to buy rental cars after careful consideration of the real benefits vs drawbacks. The article does indeed make a better case than you did.
Of course it did. The writer gets paid to do his thing and he didn't let personal experience infuse his piece, no argument there.
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BTW, directing this back at the thread in general, a Carfax report should (it did in a couple cases I know of) identify rental company use, and you might find that rental stamp to be the case for cars on dealer lots as well. All the cars mentioned in the OP are suspect. Just because it's at a regular dealer doesn't mean it wasn't a rental.
I know CarFax identifies fleet use, I'm not sure how granular it gets in terms of what kind of fleet.
I mean, you just drove 150k or so in that 2010 Sonata, right? How did it do? You want another one?
I think this is a key question. Many people seem to be looking for a change when they buy a new car, but if you have something that's working for you why not just get another one?
I think this is a key question. Many people seem to be looking for a change when they buy a new car, but if you have something that's working for you why not just get another one?
It's only been a couple years so it might be harder to judge. Lot of miles but maybe not a lot of chance to try other cars.
Best guess is, since OP was still considering Sonata, it must not be awful. It's worth considering again. But maybe it's not so fantastic that he wouldn't consider some others.
I don't think there's any clear cut objective top choice in among these. It more comes down to preference. But since you're going for so many miles so quickly, it would be hard to argue with a repeat buy if the earlier Sonata acquitted itself well. Was the 2010 the same style as the 2013? I can't remember off the top of my head....
Looks like 2010 is the earlier design which makes the decision of repeat buy a little harder perhaps.
im still looking- looking on auto-trader with a search
ive found some sonatas 2013 with 25-30k miles for 13,900
the 2010 yr sonata was the last yr of the old style...
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. Or Honda Civic for the gas mileage.
It's a reasoned piece that says it can still make sense for some but for many in the face of other choices like CPO it probably doesn't. I don't have a beef with that. I have no need to promote the idea of considering rental cars. I just think the idea is most often dismissed out of hand due to wildly exaggerated thoughts about rental car treatment. 
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