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Old 03-14-2014, 04:41 PM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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Wrong DOT/NHTSAnumbers always include "deaths contributed to".
.....and this article says the number is 89, not 34.

It could be because there were three separate issues investigated: ETC, floor mat displacement, and brakes. It could be that 34 deaths resulted from one of the issues and that the death toll from the total of all three issues is 89. I just don't know.

And the number really isn't relevant to my point anyway, that being that the specific issues of a particular make don't reflect on the manufacturers in that group as a whole. Toyota's problems didn't affect Honda buyers, and Chevrolet's problems didn't affect Ford buyers. It's not a "badge origin" issue at all.
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Old 03-14-2014, 05:12 PM
 
Location: Twin Lakes /Taconic / Salisbury
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.....and this article says the number is 89, not 34.

It could be because there were three separate issues investigated: ETC, floor mat displacement, and brakes. It could be that 34 deaths resulted from one of the issues and that the death toll from the total of all three issues is 89. I just don't know.

And the number really isn't relevant to my point anyway, that being that the specific issues of a particular make don't reflect on the manufacturers in that group as a whole. Toyota's problems didn't affect Honda buyers, and Chevrolet's problems didn't affect Ford buyers. It's not a "badge origin" issue at all.
Easy 89 the oldest number.. an unofficial number.. the official number after investigation was 34.

GM latest.. still over 300 and climbing.
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Old 03-15-2014, 05:22 AM
 
Location: Mount Airy, Maryland
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I said I see a ton a riced out hondas which i do I'm sorry that bothers you and some others. It's no secret that kids love to rice those cars out. Like I said the movies fast and furious set a trend to modify those cars.

And yes I notice all the gm trucks suvs and cars when I look up and see these hondas gm cars and trucks are everywhere
No Eddie what you said was most Hondas you see are riced out. Which is probably the dumbest thing I will read all weekend. At least I hope it is.
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Old 03-15-2014, 08:32 AM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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Even where I live in So Cal 80% of the imports I see are just commuters. The riced out imports are usually young kids. I never see older guys past their 20s in those cars. But truthfully it's no different than what American kids did to their cars in the 50s 60s 70s 80s 90s and now.

Part of the reason kids drove imports is because they were just more appealing to them. The aftermarket embraced the vehicles with body kits, performance parts and interior parts. When you have a company and you're selling 5-1 ratio of import vs domestic applications where are you going to focus your energy?
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Old 03-15-2014, 11:15 AM
 
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No Eddie what you said was most Hondas you see are riced out. Which is probably the dumbest thing I will read all weekend. At least I hope it is.
Yep MOST that I SEE... ricers are everywhere and like I said I've been all over the tri state area. Those econoboxes are cheap and cheap to modify that's why they buy these cars. I don't care either way if most are commuter cars or most are ricers they both don't appeal to me in any way shape or form same with most foreign cars.
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Old 03-15-2014, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Earth
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PDD you made some good points. The problem is, not much is made in America anymore. I wished we didn't have to buy from China.....or Mexico....or Japan...I wished you could still buy a TV set that was 100% made in the U.S.A. with quality in mind....but such is not the case.

So it seems at some point, in the midst of eating more food, driving vehicles that use more fuel and using appliances that consume more electricity, Americans decided they wanted their goods cheaper....and so in the quest for this, someone figured that in China, they'll build the same product for less than what the American will do it for, because a dollar an hour to them is 25 cents an hour to us, and they'll even build it as cheap as you want it to be.

So what happens next is goods are now mass produced overseas, the overseas builder is making money, the foreman behind it is really banking large, and we the people get shafted with a product that might get you 5 years worth of use out of before it ****s the bed, and that's usually right after the warranty runs out. Coincidence?

What is more, is to repair said item costs nearly as much as a new like item costs, so there you go, you gotta go buy another one, putting even more $ in the foremans pocket, who smiles when he knows you'll be back to buy a new one in another 5 years when your second one/replacement finally ****s the bed.

Welcome to America. Land of the greed, home of the junk.
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Old 03-17-2014, 01:57 PM
 
Location: Wappingers Falls, NY
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You know, I can't get past the OP's initial question. Specifically how it's worded is very telling. It's not "Why we should buy American made autos." It's "Why YOU should buy American made autos." Presumably while the OP goes and buys something else.
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Old 03-17-2014, 02:09 PM
 
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it is your duty to support other American workers.
no... it isn't.

i would buy vehicles from "american" manufacturers if i thought they lasted as long as hondas and toyotas.
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Old 03-17-2014, 02:16 PM
 
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For a company to use the patriot card I would say that it had lost the plot in terms of actually producing a good quality, reliable product that stood up to scrutiny on its own merits.
amen
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