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Old 05-02-2014, 10:26 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Car magazines like most enthusiast magazines, are published to sell ads, not facts. It is rare they do not sugar coat every detail about which they write.

The magazines are published as entertainment.
Journalism is defined as a reporting of facts. There's still some journalist out there, but the big money is going towards entertainment in all media sources. I would like to think there's still some publications that stick to a reporting of facts.

I will disagree with the OP's assessment that Japanese sedans are better. The most obvious way to judge a models success is to see how many are still on the road after 20 years. All manufacturers have a model, or models they are ashamed of.

After watching Breaking Bad on Netflix recently I sure see a lot of Pontiac Aztecs. Don't know if it's good or not, and I probably just think it's Walter coming!
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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OK, this is about the base engine midsize sedans with FWD. Even though these cars have generally the same size engine and horsepower, the Japanese sedans are quicker to 60 and get better fuel economy and smoother running. Why?
Are they priced the same?
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:41 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Are they priced the same?

He doesn't care, he just wants to bash American brands! Hint, lack of any real input, or reason as to why one is better than the other.

I think the zit on my butt is better than yours!
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Old 05-02-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: NYC
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Journalism is defined as a reporting of facts. There's still some journalist out there, but the big money is going towards entertainment in all media sources. I would like to think there's still some publications that stick to a reporting of facts.

I will disagree with the OP's assessment that Japanese sedans are better. The most obvious way to judge a models success is to see how many are still on the road after 20 years. All manufacturers have a model, or models they are ashamed of.

After watching Breaking Bad on Netflix recently I sure see a lot of Pontiac Aztecs. Don't know if it's good or not, and I probably just think it's Walter coming!
I haven't seen an Aztec in years they are one of the worst designs out there. If you haven't paid attention which I believe you haven't. A typical old used Japanese sedan with over 100k mi is still worth more money than a similarly equipped domestic brand with less than 100k mi. Why is that? There are probably countless threads out there of Detroit built cars with major failures and few for Japanese brands.

The lemon laws was created just to deal with all of the domestic brand failures.

I don't bash domestic brands but they deserve worst than what the tax payers given them a free bailout. Luckily Ford doesn't need it and they are the only brand that thinks globally.
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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I haven't seen an Aztec in years they are one of the worst designs out there. If you haven't paid attention which I believe you haven't. A typical old used Japanese sedan with over 100k mi is still worth more money than a similarly equipped domestic brand with less than 100k mi. Why is that? There are probably countless threads out there of Detroit built cars with major failures and few for Japanese brands.

The lemon laws was created just to deal with all of the domestic brand failures.

I don't bash domestic brands but they deserve worst than what the tax payers given them a free bailout. Luckily Ford doesn't need it and they are the only brand that thinks globally.
Wow, what a rant. did you see the separations called a paragraph? The Pontiac Aztec statement was kinda a joke about perceptions. You perceive all Japanese brands as awesome, and only domestic as bad. I disagree with your perception, and think there's bad and good in both.

Also, you fail to realize Japanese companies got bailed out by their governments too. However, I doubt truth will change your bias.

Be honest (if even possible) with yourself and look around your neighborhood at cars still being driven 20 years and older? Some Toyota's, Honda's, Fords, GM, and a couple Nissan's.

Also, please show me the part of the lemon law that pertains only to domestic? I know people who used it for Tundra's with bad transmissions. can you say billions paid for runaway Toyota's?
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Old 05-02-2014, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Journalism is defined as a reporting of facts. There's still some journalist out there, but the big money is going towards entertainment in all media sources. I would like to think there's still some publications that stick to a reporting of facts.

I will disagree with the OP's assessment that Japanese sedans are better. The most obvious way to judge a models success is to see how many are still on the road after 20 years. All manufacturers have a model, or models they are ashamed of.

After watching Breaking Bad on Netflix recently I sure see a lot of Pontiac Aztecs. Don't know if it's good or not, and I probably just think it's Walter coming!
The OP didn't say Japanese sedans are better, did he? The title of the thread says "faster and more fuel efficient."

I think there is more than a bit of evidence that it is true, at least today.

You're not projecting auto quality based on Breaking Bad, are you? If you want to use Hollywood you'd be better off with the giant GM commercial Transformers.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:03 PM
 
Location: NY
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Journalism is defined as a reporting of facts. There's still some journalist out there, but the big money is going towards entertainment in all media sources. I would like to think there's still some publications that stick to a reporting of facts.

I will disagree with the OP's assessment that Japanese sedans are better. The most obvious way to judge a models success is to see how many are still on the road after 20 years. All manufacturers have a model, or models they are ashamed of.

After watching Breaking Bad on Netflix recently I sure see a lot of Pontiac Aztecs. Don't know if it's good or not, and I probably just think it's Walter coming!
I am not so sure about that. By this logic, it would seem around here that the Buick Century was the best car ever made, as 90's models are all over the place. The reality is more than likely they are bought by retired people more frequently who drive less as a group, so they last longer because they do not get worn out as fast.
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:03 PM
 
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America designs its cars to be heavy, slow and bloated to match its people
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:04 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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America designs its cars to be heavy, slow and bloated to match its people
Your post is just stupid.

How do the Japanese, Koreans, and Germans design their cars for Americans?
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Old 05-02-2014, 12:09 PM
 
Location: NY
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America designs its cars to be heavy, slow and bloated to match its people
The 2015 Chrysler 200 looks fairly light and fast with a curb weight in the 3400's and a 295 HP V6...
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