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Old 06-13-2014, 11:56 AM
 
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You just can't predict 100% how people will use the controls given them, or even how outlier sized people will fit and interact.
Not 100%, but it doesn't take a lot of effort to shove a short person in the car and cram them up against the dash to see where problem areas might be. If they're recalling every current gen Camaro it seems they may have skipped this step.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Just replace the floor mats and it'll all be good! I wonder if this was an executive decision, or can we blame this on the union guy?
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:58 AM
 
Location: USA
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LOL Is that actually on Ford's webpage?

Hahahaha!
Have you have ever taken an ignition switch out of a Mustang? Having replaced and repaired more a few Fox and SN95 Mustangs with broken ignition switches it's amazing that everyone of those vehicles is not on a recall list. They are easily worse than the Cobalt design. I would speculate that there are worse designs out there then what I have seen.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:59 AM
 
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Default thinking ahead

GM is thinking ahead and has decided to recall all all of the 2015 models before they are even sold-- I mean why wait!!
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:03 PM
 
Location: Poway, CA
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Not 100%, but it doesn't take a lot of effort to shove a short person in the car and cram them up against the dash to see where problem areas might be. If they're recalling every current gen Camaro it seems they may have skipped this step.
Yes, but do you have to anticipate the person using the key incorrectly as well? The key is spring-loaded to open 180º. If Merc is right, the user is then pushing the thing back in/down 90° as opposed to leaving it poking straight out as it was designed to do.

Mike
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:44 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Ok, digging a bit deeper into it, it's not that it rotates 90 degrees, but that it's so large that 3 people out of 500,000 have been able to bump it with their knee. A Jalopnik writer was able to duplicate it on a press fleet Camaro at great difficulty, and it took a few tries.

Apparently the fix is to go back to a separate fob dangling from a smaller key.

Looks like SAAB had the ignition switch situation right all these years (with it down between the seats)
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:50 PM
 
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The article Merc mentioned is here for those that are interested. I never did like those switchblade keys, too large for my taste.

This Is How Hard You Have To Hit A Camaro Key To Turn It Off
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:57 PM
 
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Just replace the floor mats and it'll all be good! I wonder if this was an executive decision, or can we blame this on the union guy?
Hey at least the Toyota will run. More then I can say for the tons of waiting for a tow experience my family has had with GM junk.
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Old 06-13-2014, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Pikesville, MD
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Hey at least the Toyota will run. More then I can say for the tons of waiting for a tow experience my family has had with GM junk.

I've had a number of GM cars and trucks go over 200k miles reliably, and one GM car that went to 323k miles reliably. My last tow rig was a 190k mile Chevy truck and my current one is a 120k mile Suburban. I wouldn't call any of them (or my current daily driver) "junk."
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Old 06-13-2014, 01:04 PM
 
Location: Cold Springs, NV
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Hey at least the Toyota will run. More then I can say for the tons of waiting for a tow experience my family has had with GM junk.
The current GM recall does not have near as many deaths involved as the Toyota did, so maybe your perception of junk is misplaced? Personally, the only Toyota I even admire is the pickup with the straight front axle from the 80's. I just did a chip for one this morning with a 327 TH350 into Toyota T-case.

It is your choice to drive one, but not mine.
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