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My first two cars were a Chevy Chevette and then a Pontiac Sunbird. I will NEVER buy a GM again! The most horrible cars I've owned by far. I'm sure quality is better since the late 80s, but I won't risk it.
Every car company has put out putrid piles of crap, including brands like Ferrari, Rolls Royce, etc. Times and technology change, and the GM of the 80s is FAAAAAAAAAAR better today than it was back then, its not even a comparison really.
Every car company has put out putrid piles of crap, including brands like Ferrari, Rolls Royce, etc. Times and technology change, and the GM of the 80s is FAAAAAAAAAAR better today than it was back then, its not even a comparison really.
Yeah, but in many categories their competition is better. GM Trucks, Sporty cars, Full Size SUVs, you know classic Big 3 stuff is top of the class, but their mainstream sedans and crossovers leave much to be desired.
Saturn. The earlier SL and LS models were not bad. I had an 99 SL-2 we loved that was very easy to work on and reliable. BUT I now have a later model Ion and can only think, is this the same brand? Troublesome. Especially the recalls and the passive locking system which the company SHOULD have recalled but never did. I had to bypass it if I wanted my car to start in the winter....
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Originally Posted by B.K.
Saturn. And by extension all GM products.
Here is a partial list of problems encountered in the brief period we owned the car, which we purchased new at the height of their popularity and reputation in the mid-nineties:
Went through two alternators every single year of the 5 years we owned the car. Electric window motors and regulators kept going up, leaving windows always partially open/closed. None of the dealers in town could find any reasons for these electrical problems, and after the first 2-3 replacements the warranty stopped paying for them.
Front license plates are required here in MD, and our model wasn't supplied with a holder/bracket for one of them-took a factory part and installation to supply, paid for out of our pocket.
Went through several thermostats, ruptured radiator hoses, two water pumps, and finally a blown radiator that had just disintegrated.
Fuel pump replaced. Timing chain (or belt, can't remember which) fell apart after 20k miles.
And on, and on and on. Soon as it was paid for, we traded it in while it was running (briefly!). I pity the poor fool...
People raved about the Saturn line while they were in production. Why? It was the biggest POS we ever owned-never again. Thank God they stopped making these.
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Originally Posted by HarryWho?
Ever think you got a lemon? I had 2 very trouble free Saturns. The only gripe I had with the first was that it was noisy, but it was the plastic body and the least expensive model. It was an S1 wagon and regularly got 40 mpg. I drove it for 140k.
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Originally Posted by HappyRider
Current owner of an Aura, bought new in 08. Have experienced NONE of the problems you cite.Nothing. This is why I say you can't go by lists or internet postings.
I bought 2 Saturn coupes--1 brand new in '92, and a used '02 in '05. The alternators were a known repair/wear issue in the '92. I sold that to my sister in April '08 and she still drives it. My '02 was totaled in 2007. I loved my Saturns.
I find it funny that Hyndai, Suzuki and Kia isn't on the list.
Then again, they're get roped into trading for the newer model instead of being able to count on reliability..
As a former Scion owner, I'd say this isn't necessarily true.
i'd buy a tC or an FR-S if I could fit all the stuff I need to lug with me into them.
While Fords are great cars, I never liked the designs. I felt like I was crawling into and out of a hole. The deep wells tripped me up all the time (I am clumsy), and nothing was ever in a handy place.
My first two cars were a Chevy Chevette and then a Pontiac Sunbird. I will NEVER buy a GM again! The most horrible cars I've owned by far. I'm sure quality is better since the late 80s, but I won't risk it.
First car was a 1979 Chevette, new. Within 6 months the door protector strip started falling off. As I looked at other Chevettes I noticed the same thing. Yeah, lots of cheap stuff on the Chevette.
Funny story... I ALMOST sold my Chrys Le Baron Convertible to a black couple...at the last
min they couldn't get the $$ up. The very next day the radiator blew bad!!
My radiator friend had several in stock bec he said they blow so often.
Can u imagine if that couple had bought it?
They would have thought I knew and it was a set up. Whew! Close call.
Actually, they lowered the price for 2014 because they were building them cheaper now. They turn a profit on every one of them, and have sold over 65,000 total.
The rumor you heard was from an EARLY report that amortized the total cost of the program over a mere 6000 cars. (the amount that had been made at the time of the article). That would be like saying the first few 2015 Ford F100s showed a 2.5 billion dollar loss. You can't amortize the program like that.
I'm glad the gamble paid off then.. sales started off extremely slowly for the Volt and it didn't seem like a sure thing they would recoup their investment. They definitely built it to a standard that justifies its price point and then some.
I would have added Volvo as the one I had was a PITA. Never had a car that left me stranded as many times as that one did.
We have two and they are GREAT cars. Probably drive them for 500K miles. Not saying there could be a lemon out there, but not many.
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