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Old 04-11-2015, 02:06 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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I think Lexus really caused havoc in the market






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Old 04-11-2015, 08:49 AM
 
Location: Portland, OR
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You're the one that said "the reality is that Jaguar have been consistently ranked high in reliability."
What rankings are those?
My god, you are arguing with someone that just vehemently agreed with you....
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Old 04-11-2015, 11:33 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
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My god, you are arguing with someone that just vehemently agreed with you....

Who's arguing?
I'm not up-to-date with all the reliability rankings out there.
I was merely asking where you saw that Jaguar "have been consistently ranked high in reliability".
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Old 04-11-2015, 11:52 AM
 
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Ah I see, so now you are being selective? So by your logic we stop counting BMW 3-series, Mercedes C-class and Audi A-4, for example? I mean they are all entry-level models in the same class as well.

Although the X-type didn't reach Jaguars expectation for sales volume, it was the best selling Jaguar of all time by volume, at over 350,000 made (source: http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...-x-type-early/). Unlike some in the peanut gallery, I actually owned a 2005 X-Type 3.0 VDP and it was a great car and fantastic in the wet or snow. The only thing it lacked was more power. Jaguar talked about installing a 3.0 supercharged engine and it would have been a truly monumental car if it had happened. The Achilles heel of the X-type was the transfer case, which would have needed re-engineering to support an SC 3.0 and Jaguar were not up for the expenditure.

I can't comment our your last statement, as I have never owned a BMW. However, the reality is that Jaguar have been consistently ranked high in reliability. Agreed, nothing is perfect, but their engines and drive trains are well proven (example the 4.2L AJ8 in my 2009 XF Supercharged was first seen in the X308/XJ8 in 1997 but if has been refined over the years and has a very good track record).


As much as you would like me to, I'm not claiming the X-Type wasn't a real Jag. I'm saying the market thought it wasn't. Lots of motoring magazines labeled it as a "Dressed up Ford Contour". The reputation stuck.
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Old 04-11-2015, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Looks like every brand at some time has come out with models that are rejected for not being the “real thing”. Porsche 914, 944 and even 928. I throw Boxster into it. The C-class, especially the CLA. I guess any affordable version of luxury cars are deemed not to be the real thing.
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Old 04-13-2015, 01:18 PM
 
Location: Birmingham
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Looks like every brand at some time has come out with models that are rejected for not being the “real thing”. The C-class, especially the CLA.
Lols. Terrible example on your part.


2014 Mercedes CLA-Class shortage could discourage new buyers - Torque News

It is selling beyond their expectations.
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Old 04-13-2015, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Research Triangle, NC
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Lols. Terrible example on your part.


2014 Mercedes CLA-Class shortage could discourage new buyers - Torque News

It is selling beyond their expectations.
To add to your reply to the poster, the CLA is *not* the same as a C-Class.

I don't like the CLA at all, but that "cheaper model with the expensive badge" market that also includes the Audi A3 is racking up right now.
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Old 04-14-2015, 07:26 AM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Lols. Terrible example on your part.


2014 Mercedes CLA-Class shortage could discourage new buyers - Torque News

It is selling beyond their expectations.
Sales have nothing to do with my point. I am sure Porsche 924 sold well too. Oh, I do know that the CLA and C-class are different. When you build a Mercedes to steal sales from Honda Accord, you are not doing your brand a favor.
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Old 01-06-2016, 12:10 PM
 
Location: Flawduh
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Sales have nothing to do with my point. I am sure Porsche 924 sold well too. Oh, I do know that the CLA and C-class are different. When you build a Mercedes to steal sales from Honda Accord, you are not doing your brand a favor.
The C Class is actually a really nice car. Not sure about the CLA, but the C is definitely an entry-luxury car.
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Old 01-06-2016, 01:48 PM
 
Location: Denver
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I think the upcoming F-Pace will sell very well.
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