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Old 05-29-2015, 09:34 PM
 
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Yeah, it builds a positive payment history if you do it correctly, which in turn increases your credit score.
I have excellent credit, but I know what a FICO score really is. It's a measure of how much debt one can truly handle.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:40 PM
 
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Anybody with good credit can get a car loan for 1.49 at several credit unions right now.

The California intermediate bond fund I am associated with just hit 3+% for the 4th month in a row.

It's free money, guys. I could easily pay for my two vehicles and have notes on both.

The money might be free, but it's still debt at the end of the day.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:44 PM
 
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Hmmmmmm.

A fair amount of folks buy or lease a Honda/Toyota/etc, because they consider said cars to be the most reliable...and then trade it in before it breaks.

One common thread I see running through the automotive forum-in their world, the one where cars only last 3 years or 50,000 miles before they explode into flames,this might make sense. In world where tires can last up to 70K, even thr worst cars are better than the best ones of 20 years ago, and 200K is the new 100K, this might make sense, but anything built in the last decade is so much better, so relaible, come on people, it's not 1950 anymore. Oil goes more than 3,000, tires last more than 20,000, shocks last more than 15,000, etc. And yet the same people buy the same cars, and trade them in at the same time, it boggles my brain, and I know some of these people. Maybe it's telling that one guy has a Model T hobby.
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:47 PM
 
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The money might be free, but it's still debt at the end of the day.
Learn about debt.

There are different kinds.
Some debt works FOR you.
Cars don't generally fall in that category, but making generalized, ignorant statements like yours here is not helpful.
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Old 05-29-2015, 10:09 PM
 
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Fair point.

It is. But the math works; I don't think it's wise to let words like "debt" scare you into losing free money.

Free money is my favorite kind of money.
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If you DO have self-discipline and a basic grasp of numbers, however..
I think it's the overall numbers part that a lot of people have a hard time grasping.

A lot of people forget they're taking out debt to buy a quickly depreciating asset.
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Old 05-29-2015, 11:01 PM
 
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I prefer buying used cars with cash.
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Old 05-29-2015, 11:05 PM
 
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I'm hard on my cars and don't believe in cleaning, etc. I carry trash and recycling to the dump and dogs to the vet. I would never lease a car.]

I buy the cheapest, best-mileage, best-reliability entry-level car and drive it until it's undriveable, with pristine maintenance. I had my Mazda 323 for 11 years and 170K miles, and my current Toyota Matrix is going on 12 years and 140K. It's so cool to have a car that drives well and is solid and safe and been paid for since 2008. I have a couple of duct tape repairs, but what the hey. My mechanic is sure he can coax out 200K miles at least.

Different strokes. I am so not into cars for their own sake.
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Old 05-30-2015, 04:41 AM
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At that point, might you better off leasing? Unless your mileage is high.
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Old 05-30-2015, 06:27 AM
 
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What do you care? They are both payments. If you can afford it that’s all that matters. And what do you mean debt affects my credit? Actually, you are right. It improves it.
It is crucial that you don't fall into the trap of relying on loans that don't reduce principal faster than depreciation. (By "rely on", I mean "buying a car that you otherwise could not make payments on". If you stretch a loan out when you could afford a short one, that is different, as long as you save or invest the difference. I am only talking about those who would have no difference to invest because they are stretched thin).

If one doesn't take this precaution, then one's equity (whether positive or negative) gets smaller every month, which for obvious reasons is not a long-term sustainable strategy, because with sufficiently negative equity you will be stuck with a huge, unescapable loan with ginormous payments. At that point, you are likely less than 4 months away from the Repo man's visit. This is so even though at first your payments seemed perfectly manageable.
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Old 05-30-2015, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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If I can pay $250 a month for utilities, I can pay the same for a new car for life.
If you instead deposit $250 a month for life into a good mutual fund, after 40 years you will be in the 1%. You'll be a millionaire.
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