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If you don't believe me then read an issue of Car and Driver sometime. I'm not saying BMWs aren't incredible machines, but you can't deny they've veered off their path. When Lexus cars and Cadillacs handle and feel better than BMWs, you know something is amiss. I'd rather drive an old E39 M5 or E38 7 series over a brand new counterpart any day of the week.
Actually, the 320 with sport pack and manual trans is a real call back to the balanced BMW sedans of the past. Not the most powerful car on the market, but just the right amount of RWD balance, excellent feedback, and reasonable power. You really ought to try one before knocking it. Same with the 228i. A great modern version of the US M3 of the '90s. Same balance and speed and better built, to boot.
Yeah, his quote was everyone should experience a BMW in their lifetime. I don't think driving a base model BMW is going to be life changing.
Agreed. Mercedes AMG versions are better driver's cars than what BMW is putting out these days. It used to be the other way around, BMW built the exciting sports sedans, and Mercedes built luxury with a nod to some performance.
Now, BMW doesn't have anything that can hold a candle to some of the AMG models out there.
Just laughable stuff really. ///M always has and always will out-do AMG, and while Benz is known for reliability and is a quality make, BMW continues to be the standard.
Just laughable stuff really. ///M always has and always will out-do AMG, and while Benz is known for reliability and is a quality make, BMW continues to be the standard.
LOL
Sure newbie.
Let me know when BMW comes up with a car that is anything like the AMG GT. Oh, ok, that car is fairly new, I'm sure BMW must be working feverishly to come up with something to compete. Let's go back to late 90's and early 2000's with the Mercedes CLK-GTR.
BMW's response... crickets.
If you're going to be a fanboi you should at least be an educated fanboi.
Just laughable stuff really. ///M always has and always will out-do AMG, and while Benz is known for reliability and is a quality make, BMW continues to be the standard.
What's next. Ferrari, Lamborghini, and Porsche following BMW's coattails?
Just laughable stuff really. ///M always has and always will out-do AMG, and while Benz is known for reliability and is a quality make, BMW continues to be the standard.
LOL, last October I had the option of buying a new M4 or a new AMG C63S. Guess what I picked and purchased, it was not the BMW. This is from someone that has the finances to actually buy one new.
Actually, the 320 with sport pack and manual trans is a real call back to the balanced BMW sedans of the past. Not the most powerful car on the market, but just the right amount of RWD balance, excellent feedback, and reasonable power. You really ought to try one before knocking it. Same with the 228i. A great modern version of the US M3 of the '90s. Same balance and speed and better built, to boot.
I thought the 320 would be an awful car and less keen on a 4 banger with a turbo...esp my experience with Lexus 4 bangers. My buddy had a 320i loaner for a few days. I drove over 500 plus miles out in the west coast....I was pleasantly surprise its a pretty decent car. Decent power and great fuel economy....I would dare to say even a reasonably fun car to drive.
Congratulations, you're in the extreme minority. The E38 is one of my favorite cars of all time, but let's be real here. If you've got 168k on a 16 year old E38 and haven't had your (plastic) timing chain guide fail and your engine grenaded consider yourself lucky. And that's just one of the thousand known ways BMW V8s lunch themselves.
BMWs are great lease cars just drive em, get free maintenance and turn em in; they usually start having issues right around 50k.
I just find it near impossible to swallow you have a 170k mile 7 series and it only needs "basic maintenance."
I'm not calling you a liar but a Lexus LS it's not, reliability wise.
my buddy's e46 325 has 250+ on the odo....no major work....keeps finger cross. It has been rock solid since he bought it used for 10 grand with 85k on the clock. My 14 yr old E39 is still running very strong today.
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