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Still think of this car as a modern version of the Celica, a 4 seater sports coupe with good handling. Replace the factory tires with summer sports tires and you gain more performance. Too bad Subaru didn't offer their WRX STI turbo and transmission.
I'm no muscle car guy, but yes, the FRS/BRZ/86 is underpowered, and quite frankly, overpriced, IMO. I love an old Hachi Roku as much as the next guy, and as driftable as the new 86 is, it just doesn't quite cut it in many ways. For 4 grand more, you can get a base Mustang GT that will not only outhandle the 86, but has well over double the horsepower. If one wants an affordable, nicely balanced chassis, look no further than a Miata.
I hadn't been paying attention. BRZ, eh? I like to make fun of my boss, he bought one, and whenever I look in it I see HVAC controls out of a Yaris. So I like to tell him that he bought a Toyota.
Well...he kinda did. The Subaru BRZ & Toyota FT86 is a joint built car with about as many changes outside as a 64&65 Mustang, and a mash up on the inside of parts from both companies.
As mentioned, Toyota has dissolved Scion. They are keeping the cars that are selling.
I'm happy that we are finally getting the world edition cars. For a long time I've found myself longing for the makes and models that were available overseas but not here. I don't like that cars for americans need to be bobbly and bloated to sell here. I'd love to get my hands on a Ute from australia and a Hilux!
For some reason Americans can not wrap their head around the idea of the same name plate being on very different cars. We accept that GM makes Chevy Spark, Buick regal and the Caddy Escalade but if they were both labeled with one name we wouldn't like it. I don't get it.
well, you're kind of right. Toyota and Subaru joined together to develop the car, so both have their fingerprints on different parts. For example the fuel injection system was developed by Toyota but the engine hardware is Subaru.
We've had the Hilux...it's the nameless pick up truck that was sold along side the T1100, and replaced by the Tacoma. Even came as a "1ton."
It's a throwback to the perfectly balanced sport coupes of the '80s and early '90s. It's the same size and weight as the Porsche 944, the Mazda RX7 TII, Nissan 280z, etc. it's got more power than the 944, RX7 (and Turbo II) and non-turbo Z car. 50/50 weight distribution, RWD, highly balanced and responsive chassis. Basically the kind of car that sports car enthusiasts were begging for since the demise of that segment a couple decades ago, instead of the bloated, overpowered GTs that we ended up getting instead (and the fact that everyone went to SUVs and CUVs instead of sports cars).
Over hyped and underpowered? Only to ignorant muscle car fanatics.
Everybody thinks they're overpowered...even for what they're intended for. They may be light, but they still outwiegh the mx5, S2K(which had over 200hp), maybe even the straight six Z4.. 200hp in a...2200 lb or so car is like the 250 in my car; yeah it moves, but it's not enough. They don't even offer a turbo(thanks Toyota...) and just about every subaru model at least have a turbo motor as an option, except maybe the B9 Tribeca. I'd like to see an STi drivetrain in one. Speaking of that; the STi and WRX..and Impreza have more than 200hp and the latter two were intended for about the same thing. a 2700lb STi has over 300hp, shouldn't the BRZ/FT86 have at least 250/60, if not 300?
Typical American ignorant buyers look for power over balance and handling. Most Americans can't even properly drive a sub 150hp sports car on the track let alone a 300hp+ heavy car like the Mustang. How many times you see someone on the track over cooks a turn or their brake locked up and spins out and crashes.
Usually Porches, but it's more they lift off and spin out. "Most" Americans aren't track people, Some do, some do drag and oval racing. Some race sub-150hp 600lb lawn tractors and gokarts which are way harder to drive than some preverbial sub150hp sports car. Besides...the wieght and long wheelbase of a mustang gives it some stability, and the fact they near wieght of my CVPI, 300hp is really needed.
I thought underpowering it made sense. It could make insurance cheaper--a savvy owner, one who likely isn't a road menace, could up the power as they felt necessary.
I figured this too, since it's a shout out the the AE86 Terueno/Carolla/whatever, a car that wasn't much stock. But not even the special edition models have any more hp either, yet they cost more.
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