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Old 06-03-2017, 06:18 PM
 
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Very true. Gasses escape. Even if it's one molecule at a time. But AC systems take years to fail. A simple recharge can from AutoZone usually does the trick. If not more costly repairs are needed.
All well and good except that with that procedure you are going on blind faith that the recharge amount is correct. Only the low side pressure is measured which is subject to numerous variables. To avoid likely over or under charge the system should be evacuated and the refilled by weight to factory spec. At my shop we regularly evacuate and recharge systems that were improperly filled with the "Tap-A-Can" method. Sometimes this method gets the charge ih the ballpark, sometimes not even close!

Don in Austin
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Old 06-03-2017, 11:39 PM
 
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In the old days R12 showed you the leak, a bit of oil seeping at the source. Current R134a not so much. Belts are much harder to do a visual check today and belt tension is harder to do, usually requiring a slightly elaborate tool in a lot of cases. Gauges are different now, no danger of connecting the gauge lines backwards and risking blowing up a can in your hand or face. Pressures are slightly different though. Hand testing the cold or hotspots in metal lines, aw shucks, that's easy.

Now, everybody can do that right? And make a professional judgement regarding any of these issues / checks, right?

Those who can, will. Those who can't will pay to have it done. Finding the right service provider is much harder though. It's hard to trust someone you don't know with hard earned money. I get it. Finding the right guy or shop is 95% of it. There are though 'City Garage' franchise's around that are known for being straight shooters. I've always done my own work in EVERY aspect of my vehicles, but today's vehicles are now beginning exceeding my expertise (somewhat).

To each his own. It is sad that those guys that rip off people get more ink (talk) than the honest ones.
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Old 06-04-2017, 10:34 AM
 
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The biggest error is not maintaining the ac to begin with, like cleaning the leaves and gutter, cleaning out the heater core, cleaning out the ac line. There should be yearly scheduled task that need to be done. But why not a dummies section in the owners manual?

And does the dealer perfom these services with a hvac check?
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Old 06-04-2017, 01:15 PM
 
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All well and good except that with that procedure you are going on blind faith that the recharge amount is correct. Only the low side pressure is measured which is subject to numerous variables. To avoid likely over or under charge the system should be evacuated and the refilled by weight to factory spec. At my shop we regularly evacuate and recharge systems that were improperly filled with the "Tap-A-Can" method. Sometimes this method gets the charge ih the ballpark, sometimes not even close!

Don in Austin
exactly right. the "gauges" on those fill it yourself cans in the parts stores are not exactly accurate. they are at best a ball park measurement.
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Old 06-09-2017, 11:41 AM
 
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Very true. Gasses escape. Even if it's one molecule at a time. But AC systems take years to fail. A simple recharge can from AutoZone usually does the trick. If not more costly repairs are needed.

Yes, you are right.

The point I was trying to make is, every time a sealed-systems leaks-out whatever is contained in it, it does not necessarily means you have to go all gonzo in repairing the thingy-in question. As long as the loss is not excessive and other problems are not being caused by a small amount of leakage......just refill the darn thingy.

My 12 year old air-conditioner needs to be recharged a little bit..............OH NO, trash-it or call the
repair dude, SMFH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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