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Old 07-05-2017, 03:34 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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outafocus should read this if he hates unions.

If Unions Are Breaking Automakers, Why Are BMW and Mercedes So Rich? by Thom Hartmann
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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That's the problem right there.
He also said that one of the bread and butter things on a car is performance.
Then he says his cars aren't any good at that.
Who wastes that kind of money on something they admit is mediocre?

Many American cars offer solid reliability and strong performance without costing you an arm and a leg.
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:40 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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i have always been sticking with japanese cars throughout my adult life, mainly b/c they are reliable, the performance of a honda or toyota isn't great, but it is something that i can deal with for the price that they are asking. For the most part, a car is just a tool that takes me from point a to point b and i just don't see the point of spending a large amount of money on something that will only depreciate over time.
I thought about buying german cars, but the reliability of german cars really concerns me. A few years ago, when i went to europe for vacation, we rented a vw golf gtd, and i really enjoyed driving that car on the german autobahn. i liked the car so much that i even thought about buying it, except gtd is not sold in the states.
now american brand cars. i honestly don't know why i should spend $30k to buy an american brand car. when i buy japanese cars, i am buying reliability, when i am buying german cars, i am buying performance. i had this conversation with my coworker before, he told me he will always buy american brand cars, b/c he wants to support the american auto industry. Sometimes when i watch tv, and i see those ford, or gm commercials, they call themselves most dependable vehicle, to me, that is just ahh, like how do you define the word "dependable". which vehicle is not dependable?
I have been living in this country for a long long long time now, i do care about what is going on in this country, and it is not like i have anything against american brand cars. BUT if Ford, Chrysler, GM... wants me to spend $30k of my hard earned money to buy a Ford, Chrysler, GM, they have to earn it! They have to prove to me that they are just as reliable as a honda, a toyota, their performance, handling is just as good as BMW, Mercedes Benz. So far, they have not done it.
In some of the american brand car commercials, they were trying to promote the self // parking feature, you can open the trunk by extending your leg underneath the car. To me, those features are nice, but i will not buy a car simply b/c of those features. imo, the bread and butter of a car is reliability, is performance, is safety and of course, price.
I don't see a single question here. Nice editorial though but don't pretend you are "undecided."
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:42 PM
 
Location: Tip of the Sphere. Just the tip.
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Yeah... he said he won't support unions, then rattled off a bunch of cars he bought were built with union labor.
Yay for right-wing propaganda
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Old 07-05-2017, 03:47 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Yes, even ISIS has dumped Toyota in favor of Kia...https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.bus...tan-war-2017-3
ISIS was very displeased with the after sales service Toyota was offering in Raqqa.
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Old 07-05-2017, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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i have always been sticking with japanese cars throughout my adult life, mainly b/c they are reliable, the performance of a honda or toyota isn't great, but it is something that i can deal with for the price that they are asking. For the most part, a car is just a tool that takes me from point a to point b and i just don't see the point of spending a large amount of money on something that will only depreciate over time.
I thought about buying german cars, but the reliability of german cars really concerns me. A few years ago, when i went to europe for vacation, we rented a vw golf gtd, and i really enjoyed driving that car on the german autobahn. i liked the car so much that i even thought about buying it, except gtd is not sold in the states.
now american brand cars. i honestly don't know why i should spend $30k to buy an american brand car. when i buy japanese cars, i am buying reliability, when i am buying german cars, i am buying performance. i had this conversation with my coworker before, he told me he will always buy american brand cars, b/c he wants to support the american auto industry. Sometimes when i watch tv, and i see those ford, or gm commercials, they call themselves most dependable vehicle, to me, that is just ahh, like how do you define the word "dependable". which vehicle is not dependable?
I have been living in this country for a long long long time now, i do care about what is going on in this country, and it is not like i have anything against american brand cars. BUT if Ford, Chrysler, GM... wants me to spend $30k of my hard earned money to buy a Ford, Chrysler, GM, they have to earn it! They have to prove to me that they are just as reliable as a honda, a toyota, their performance, handling is just as good as BMW, Mercedes Benz. So far, they have not done it.
In some of the american brand car commercials, they were trying to promote the self // parking feature, you can open the trunk by extending your leg underneath the car. To me, those features are nice, but i will not buy a car simply b/c of those features. imo, the bread and butter of a car is reliability, is performance, is safety and of course, price.
American cars are now reliable but they might have to improve a little to match Japanese. My wife recently went from a Honda Pilot to a Jeep Grand Cherokee and the jeep is a much better overall vehicle...I do wonder if the Jeep will meet the reliability standard that the Hondas we've owned habitually set.

I plan to buy a Camaro SS because no Japanese car can come close to matching it for overall performance and fun!
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:08 PM
 
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Jeep is bottom of the barrell reliability will be interesting to see how much real impact it has on your ownership though.

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Old 07-05-2017, 08:11 PM
 
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The most "American" cars nowadays are Japanese brands thanks to the Big 3 offshoring a lot of production. I like the designs of the newer domestics but would never buy one after being burned by them in the past. Japanese brands have been slipping since the early 2000s but at least they don't have fundamental management problems like the Big 3 do.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The "Japanese" Nissan Xterra that I had was built in Tennessee, it was a good car.
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Old 07-05-2017, 08:42 PM
 
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buy what you want. i buy american cars because they build what i want.
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