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The structural design of the vehicle in question is an unknown. Therefore it must be assumed that this vehicle was not , and is not, designed to accommodate large holes in the roof.
Give it up dude. You haven't been right about a single thing you've said here.
If you've ever pulled a headliner down, you'd see the most of the roof is just thin sheet metal with maybe one support rib that wouldn't do much other than prevent the roof from caving in if some jerk decided to run up and over your car trying to be funny. Even then, I've seen people standing on a roof and collapse it in slightly. There's not much strength there at all.
Most, if not all of the structural support comes from the A and B pillar areas.
Safety argument makes me laugh, sales driven by safety but I have owned dozens of cars I was never in a wreck with. How many people are driving boring Volvos because of their ads in the 80's and passed on having a fun car like a Corvette or Miata because the Volvo is "safer"
The way I look at it; all cars are mandated to have a minimum safety requirement which improves year after year so the safest car from a few years ago probably wouldn't even meet the minimum safety standards of today. I cant see chasing a new car based on safety features. If I did, Id be driving the latest and greatest year after year.
I do agree though that certain vehicles from the factory are designed to have a sunroof installed where others are not. Installing an aftermarket one may alter the structural integrity of the car slightly but in reality it doesn't bother me because it has never been a major issue, if it was, they wouldn't install them.
The structural design of the vehicle in question is an unknown. Therefore it must be assumed that this vehicle was not , and is not, designed to accommodate large holes in the roof.
a few facts for you;
1: if the vehicle in question has a option for a moon roof, then whether the vehicle has tht option installed or not, the necessary bracing is installed at the factory, because the automakers are goingt o do what ever they can to save time an money building these cars. so that means every hardtop version gets the bracing whether it gets the option or not.
2: the aftermarket installation companies ADD bracing these days when installing aftermarket products such as moon roofs so as to prevent problems from customers complaining about poor quality work. granted there are some slap dash companies out there, but these days they are no where near as prevalent as they were in the 70s.
A car with 1000 miles is not a brand new car, it's a dealer demo. I wouldn't touch it. People try out all kinds of staff on demo cars - things I wouldn't do with my car in the break-in period. Heck, have you seen how the dealership valet drive these cars?
A car with 1000 miles is not a brand new car, it's a dealer demo. I wouldn't touch it. People try out all kinds of staff on demo cars - things I wouldn't do with my car in the break-in period. Heck, have you seen how the dealership valet drive these cars?
Last brand new car I bought had 4 miles on it.
that is only your opinion, legally until the car is titled, it can be sold as a new car, even if that car is 20 years old, and has 50,000 miles on it.
that is only your opinion, legally until the car is titled, it can be sold as a new car, even if that car is 20 years old, and has 50,000 miles on it.
Legal or not, will you seriously accept a car with 1000 miles as a brand new car at a brand new price? It's not Rolls Royce - OP is talking about a Mazda.
Aftermarket power moonroofs, when properly installed, are usually of very good quality. Webasto and Hollandia roofs are quite good and are generally considered "OE" when installed by a certified shop. They were even good in the early 90s when I worked in the industry. Our shop had very good installers. Comebacks were minimal.
If you really hate the roof, don't take delivery. If you can live with it and don't want to wait for another vehicle, demand a discount. The bottom line is that it isn't what you ordered and the extra option is unwanted. You should be credited for that. If they balk, walk away. Assuming you gave them a down payment, you might have to sue to get it back. These days, a dealer can do a trade with another dealership very easily. There's really no reason that they can't get you what you want unless the vehicle itself is very rare.
This one is about a "new" car with 1,000 miles on it.
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