John Deere 210 losing fuel prime (auto, exhaust, buy, engine)
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When is the last time the filters were changed? I would suspect either the lift pump, or the injector pump regulator, if this machine has one.
Sorry, but this approach of seeking to find an expensive item to replace as your first step of diagnostics is typical of what's wrong with the auto tech (and tractor techs) industry today.
The symptoms described by the OP are indicative of the fuel delivery system working properly once primed.
Far better, IMO, to check out the basic simple stuff first than to start jumping to unfounded worst case scenarios.
As well, from a practical shop experience over 50 years ... I'd say that failures in fuel delivery far outweigh component failures, especially on diesel HD equipment. We replace/repair fuel line components around 40:1 compared to injection system components.
A visit to a dodge dealership would show similar results ... More failures in the fuel preheater or fuel pump feed elbow than injection delivery failures or fuel transfer pump failures leading to poor/no start problems.
Sorry, but this approach of seeking to find an expensive item to replace as your first step of diagnostics is typical of what's wrong with the auto tech (and tractor techs) industry today.
The symptoms described by the OP are indicative of the fuel delivery system working properly once primed.
Far better, IMO, to check out the basic simple stuff first than to start jumping to unfounded worst case scenarios.
As well, from a practical shop experience over 50 years ... I'd say that failures in fuel delivery far outweigh component failures, especially on diesel HD equipment. We replace/repair fuel line components around 40:1 compared to injection system components.
A visit to a dodge dealership would show similar results ... More failures in the fuel preheater or fuel pump feed elbow than injection delivery failures or fuel transfer pump failures leading to poor/no start problems.
I asked about the filters first, duh! I also didn't say to replace the pumps, I said I would suspect them, if equipped with both. I suspect one of them simply because once he shuts it off and tried to restart, the rpms aren't high enough for the injector pump to deliver enough fuel to run. The ether will allow the engine to get up to enough rpms to run until the pump can do its thing. Pretty easy to check. I would assume, and we know about that, that the OP knows enough to check minor things first.
I asked about the filters first, duh! I also didn't say to replace the pumps, I said I would suspect them, if equipped with both. I suspect one of them simply because once he shuts it off and tried to restart, the rpms aren't high enough for the injector pump to deliver enough fuel to run. The ether will allow the engine to get up to enough rpms to run until the pump can do its thing. Pretty easy to check. I would assume, and we know about that, that the OP knows enough to check minor things first.
Sorry .... but you're really stretching to rationalize your line of thinking here ... and simply put, wrong.
Restricted Fuel Filters to the degree you suggest on these diesels will NOT RUN PROPERLY once the engine is running. Hard not to notice a major symptom of low power/poor throttle response. A good snap of the throttle won't even deliver a bit of black smoke out the exhaust and the throttle response will be "wimpy". To the experienced "ear", the "bark" of the diesel will be absent on the throttle snap.
As well ... since 1964, when I first started working on a 4020 tractor ... I've not had to replace more than a dozen fuel lift pumps in normal service. I've replaced more of these on an engine overhaul than on running tractors. The usual failure is the diapraghm cracks and there's a fuel dribble out the weep hole or engine oil out the weep hole ... but even then, the tractors usually start and run quite normally. It's usually only because of the mess and fuel loss that an operator mentions that the transfer pump might need attention.
And I'll have to disagree with you on the concept " that the OP knows enough to check minor things first". Not only is it rare for most operators to do so, but I've made a career out of doing those "minor things" after equipment has been to the dealers & other shops first without resolution of the problem. Usually because it was beneath their dignity to start with the basics and they overlooked the "minor things".
I've even had competing shops not be able to figure out that a rig was out of fuel in the tank ... but they were able to diagnose that the injection pump wasn't delivering fuel, hence needed to be overhauled in their professional opinion. Have seen this type of arrogant stupidity on everything from the dealers to high end snobbery repair shops that couldn't fix a roast beef sandwich with directions on the pre-sliced package of meats next to the loaf of sliced bread and a tray of condiments.
PS: sounds to me like you're throwing generalizations and rationalizations out without having any working experience on the OP's equipment. Our shop has and does do so, and a local shop I do contract on-call work at (diesel engine tune-ups and overhauls) is a full time farm equipment specialist in such. Hence I don't have to guess about running symptoms on this equipment ... we've BTDT. We're the "go to" shop when the dealers around here can't fix stuff or bid excessive prices to do stuff.
Whatever dude. I offered my opinions on what possibly could be wrong, its up to the OP to decide how to use it. BTW, I wonder about the....ah nevermind, youll find fault with that too.
I have to wonder exactly which "John Deere 210" the OP has?
Is it the 210 lawn and garden tractor with the 10 horse Kohler (gas) engine?
Or, is it the 210G (diesel) excavator?
I have to wonder exactly which "John Deere 210" the OP has?
Is it the 210 lawn and garden tractor with the 10 horse Kohler (gas) engine?
Or, is it the 210G (diesel) excavator?
answered in Gene's only other post: JD 210le
78 HP diesel loader.
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