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I don't dispute that and I wish Americans would have the same passion for American products like the Japanese have about their own products.
That being said, that should give them less concern to open their borders to foreign companies, right.
Americans have the same passion for quality products that Japanese have. Both Japanese and American car buyers want a car that will last and won't cost them a fortune in car repairs. Japanese cars last longer, and need fewer repairs. Everybody knows that.
Americans have the same passion for quality products that Japanese have. Both Japanese and American car buyers want a car that will last and won't cost them a fortune in car repairs. Japanese cars last longer, and need fewer repairs. Everybody knows that.
Everyone knows that? You mean everyone "perceives" that....
Would it surprise you to know that Toyota spends more warranty dollars per vehicle on the Camry than GM spends on the Malibu? Now I realize that long-term durability is not just judged within a. 5-year warranty period, but to just make a blanket statement like "Japanese cars are better than American cars" is too vague.
Just within the Japanese, a brand like Nissan is well below the quality levels of most Honda products when you compare like-vehickes side by side. (Nissan typically also spends far more in warranty costs than Ford or GM, too.)
Model by model the answer to who makes the best car changes. Typically Japanese would have the edge in cars but Ford and GM trucks/SUVs are typically well ahead on that side of it. (Especially trucks where aside from the Tacoma and Frontier which are pretty good their other trucks/large SUVs are very poor.)
This thread has been off the rails with nonsense for some time. I'm out.
I wish the thread had been reported sooner than today. Folks, when you see a thread hijacked, please report it. It would be a big help.
This thread is now closed.
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Everyone knows that? You mean everyone "perceives" that....
Would it surprise you to know that Toyota spends more warranty dollars per vehicle on the Camry than GM spends on the Malibu? Now I realize that long-term durability is not just judged within a. 5-year warranty period, but to just make a blanket statement like "Japanese cars are better than American cars" is too vague.
Just within the Japanese, a brand like Nissan is well below the quality levels of most Honda products when you compare like-vehickes side by side. (Nissan typically also spends far more in warranty costs than Ford or GM, too.)
Model by model the answer to who makes the best car changes. Typically Japanese would have the edge in cars but Ford and GM trucks/SUVs are typically well ahead on that side of it. (Especially trucks where aside from the Tacoma and Frontier which are pretty good their other trucks/large SUVs are very poor.)
Don’t bring me some weak media publication. Bring me factual data from the OEM’s like I have and I’ll listen. For instance, I like how they have the ES350 on here over the Camry, when the Camry’s warranty cost per vehicle is 25% of the Lexus.
In nearly every case where you have a “regular†car and a luxury car on the same platform, the luxury car typically has twice the warranty costs per year, TGW’s, etc. Yet when you read these media publications it’s completely opposite. Part of the reason for that is there is just more widgets and technology in the luxury versions, i.e. more things to break or complain about. (Another is the self-fulfilling prophecy bias of luxury brand owners.)
Don’t bring me some weak media publication. Bring me factual data from the OEM’s like I have and I’ll listen. For instance, I like how they have the ES350 on here over the Camry, when the Camry’s warranty cost per vehicle is 25% of the Lexus.
In nearly every case where you have a “regular†car and a luxury car on the same platform, the luxury car typically has twice the warranty costs per year, TGW’s, etc. Yet when you read these media publications it’s completely opposite. Part of the reason for that is there is just more widgets and technology in the luxury versions, i.e. more things to break or complain about. (Another is the self-fulfilling prophecy bias of luxury brand owners.)
Consumer Reports is a bad source, only if you don't care about facts. Feel free to remain confused as to why most people are buying imported cars, over American cars.
Consumer Reports is a bad source, only if you don't care about facts. Feel free to remain confused as to why most people are buying imported cars, over American cars.
I've always bought my cars off of the Consumer Reports Car Buying Guide, and they have been spot on every time. They would list a problem the car was known for, and I checked all my past cars... and sure enough, whatever they reported is what went wrong.
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Consumer Reports is a bad source, only if you don't care about facts. Feel free to remain confused as to why most people are buying imported cars, over American cars.
I'm certainly not confused on the subject but the topic of why "most people are buying imported cars" is a different subject than your initial comment that I was addressing, which was "Japanese cars last longer, and need fewer repairs."
Those are two different conversations.
As far as the "Japanese cars last longer, and need fewer repairs" comment - In some cases is that true? Certainly....but not all cases. Real data backs that up (warranty claim info from the OEM's, for starters.) I prefer to use that data as opposed to media surveys.
For2 years I looked at these surveys and the warranty claim data on those same vehicles. Most people would be surprised at how many of these don't match. (i.e., the customer noted some things wrong on the survey that didn't actually need repair, or they didn't note things on the survey that they DID have fixed.)
So if car A has a limited, crummy warranty, and you compare it to a Car B that has a comprehensive, extensive warranty the OEM data could show that Car A is superior, because it has fewer claims. Due to it being shorter and more limited......
I'm not a car person, but I can see some faulty logic at play.
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So if car A has a limited, crummy warranty, and you compare it to a Car B that has a comprehensive, extensive warranty the OEM data could show that Car A is superior, because it has fewer claims. Due to it being shorter and more limited......
I'm not a car person, but I can see some faulty logic at play.
Most OEM's have very similar warranties, and many of these publications do not measure anything past 3 years anyway. That's part of the issue I have with the media publications that try to cover this stuff. JD Power's "long term" durability study actually focuses on vehicles that are only 3 years old. Really?
(FWIW to my friend Cloudy Dayz, Chevy is ranked higher in JD Power than Toyota, Honda and Nissan, but you don't see me touting that anywhere, either, because these media surveys are generally meaningless.)
Plus, there are other many other things OEM's look at, too. Parts sales at the dealerships also give you a clue on which components are being replaced often. (Which potentially means they don't last very long.)
That's just one of a number of tools used...
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