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Old 10-20-2018, 12:02 AM
 
Location: Round Rock, TX
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Why is less of talk of fuel sources not done so much with more of these vehicles and always just done with passenger cars?


So, will both go fuel electric, hydrogen, hybrid or solar-powred?


I do think especially semis need changing of fuel source, I can sometimes even smell the fumes all the way from our car when we're travelling.
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Old 10-20-2018, 12:46 AM
 
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a few things to remember here;


1: there are far more cars and light pick ups than there are 18 wheelers and heavy duty trucks


2: these trucks hauls heavy loads long distances, and as good as electric cars are, it wont do right now in the big trucks, not enough range, not enough charging stations, and far too slow of a charging time. these guys have to keep moving to make money


3: right now the best fuel for these trucks is diesel. its efficient combustion wise, and and the truckers can refill their tanks quickly and keep moving.


sorry but right now electric power isnt efficient enough for the large trucks.
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:31 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Semi truck drivers keep America going if it wasn’t for semi truck you would not have food in your local grocery store, or medical supplies for local hospitals. Semi trucks have to go cross country in less than a week to deliver their loads electric semi trucks don’t have the range to doo that yet. People should not complain about semi trucks because if it were not for a semi truck you would not have that smartphone to type on to complain about them. How do you think that phone made it from the shipping docks to your local electronics retailer. And how do you think your vehicle got to your local dealership. Semi trucks move everything you use in your lifetime, even the casket you get buried in.
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:42 AM
 
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They are switching a lot of the buses in my area to natural gas, that's also occurring with some private companies that have large fleets. I would expect that trend to continue, just a matter of having the infrastructure to fuel them.


I would not count on diesel going anywhere for a very long time where larger trucks are concerned. Generally speaking liquid fossil fuels are used because they contain a huge amount of energy stored in relatively small space. Specifically with the diesel engine it provides a lot torque which is what you want for moving stuff around. Those two attributes set an extremely high bar for moving freight.
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:48 AM
 
Location: USA
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Liquid fossil fuels are still the best choice for trucks, buses, cars, SUV's, and pick up trucks. There really is no comparison. This will be the case, for many years to come, even with the environmental lobby, and government pressure.
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Old 10-20-2018, 04:55 AM
 
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Semi truck drivers keep America going if it wasn’t for semi truck you would not have food in your local grocery store.....

Undoubtedly the trucking industry is a key component of commerce however they are over utilized. If the road use tax was adjusted for the amount of damage they do to roads they would be paying a lot more. A lot more of that long haul freight would move to rail where it belongs.



The cost for consumer goods would rise but the burden on the motorist to build and maintain roads is reduced.
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Old 10-20-2018, 05:00 AM
 
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Liquid fossil fuels are still the best choice for trucks, buses, cars, SUV's, and pick up trucks.

That is not necessarily the case, there is niche for these vehicles especially in urban environments where the range and/or infrastructure to support them is not much of an issue.
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Old 10-20-2018, 05:12 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Undoubtedly the trucking industry is a key component of commerce however they are over utilized. If the road use tax was adjusted for the amount of damage they do to roads they would be paying a lot more. A lot more of that long haul freight would move to rail where it belongs.



The cost for consumer goods would rise but the burden on the motorist to build and maintain roads is reduced.
It will never happen the shipping industry very big and powerful, and the last thing this country needs is a nationwide shutdown of the shipping industry if they try to increase road use taxes.
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Old 10-20-2018, 05:17 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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That is not necessarily the case, there is niche for these vehicles especially in urban environments where the range and/or infrastructure to support them is not much of an issue.
Shipping industry is not a nitch maybe smaller package delivery and Iím not taking UPS or FEDIX Iím talking supcontractors that deliver amazon packages.
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Old 10-20-2018, 05:53 AM
 
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I'm not a huge fan of BEV's but I think there's a huge opportunity for heavy diesels. Diesel alone isn't necessarily good enough on it's own merit, hence we have diesel electric trains and not straight diesel. Even the cleanest diesel trucks are dirty and I'm not talking from a global warming standpoint. There's straight nasty soot spewing out diesel exhaust. Being stuck behind one sucks, and it would be nice if the garbage truck's engine didn't rattle everybody's windows.
Just watching one inching driveway by driveway just to grab one household garbage can at a time while dumping soot all over the place just looks painfully inefficient. If anybody could use braking regen and quite electric operation it's a garbage truck. Being a fleet vehicle free of the constraints of consumer image is a huge opportunity.


That being said, the fuel source should be hydrogen. A giant battery is just ridiculous and lazy.
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