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Old 12-06-2018, 07:34 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Isn't his just outsourcing your cars? You might as well just put out an RFP and hand the blueprints to the lowest bidder. Why have factories?
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Old 12-06-2018, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Isn't his just outsourcing your cars? You might as well just put out an RFP and hand the blueprints to the lowest bidder. Why have factories?
And that’s why VW is doing this to keep you all second guessing the worlds largest automaker.
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Old 12-06-2018, 08:06 PM
 
Location: Apex, NC
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VW should just disguise their cars as Fords so people will buy them.
That's how FCA sells Fiats. They masquerade as Jeeps.
You do realize that VW sells approximately 66% more vehicles per year than Ford right? Last year alone, they sold 4 million more vehicles than Ford.
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Old 12-07-2018, 12:31 AM
 
Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada
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could VW and Ford build share the Ranger Platform and make some really good Turbo diesel engines?
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Old 12-07-2018, 06:55 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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could VW and Ford build share the Ranger Platform and make some really good Turbo diesel engines?
VW will not share the new Ranger Truck platform VW wants to use Ford’s extra capacity to build their own vehicles no sharing a platform together like Ford/ Mazda. Here we go everyone jumping to conclusions that they are joining forces to build vehicles together that didn’t take long.
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Old 12-07-2018, 07:05 AM
 
Location: Lee County, NC
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could VW and Ford build share the Ranger Platform and make some really good Turbo diesel engines?
Wouldn't be necessary. VW already has a mid-size pickup, the Amarok, which it has looked at bringing to the US and Canada in the near future.
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Old 12-07-2018, 07:39 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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VW will not share the new Ranger Truck platform VW wants to use Ford’s extra capacity to build their own vehicles no sharing a platform together like Ford/ Mazda. Here we go everyone jumping to conclusions that they are joining forces to build vehicles together that didn’t take long.

That's what I asked earlier. So, from this I assume it will not be the same as Chrysler building VW vans.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:23 AM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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The Routan was a Chrysler minivan with slight restyling and (in some years) a VW engine. It also had dismal sales, hitting about a quarter of projections.

These kind of blended vehicles don't tend to have spectacular sales or mean much to the assembly contractor except keeping a few production lines running. I can't see Ford doing much more than collecting a paycheck for doing the same - yeah, it's jobs and so forth, but about as close to McJobs as it gets in that industry.
Wouldn't be the worst play for Ford. They have a lot of idle powertrain and assembly capacity and there is no reason why they couldn't become a contract manufacturer. I've never understood why, in this day and age, any automaker would want to make their own product and deal with the labor headaches associated with it. They can easily contract out the whole assembly.
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Old 12-07-2018, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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Wouldn't be the worst play for Ford. They have a lot of idle powertrain and assembly capacity and there is no reason why they couldn't become a contract manufacturer. I've never understood why, in this day and age, any automaker would want to make their own product and deal with the labor headaches associated with it. They can easily contract out the whole assembly.
Can’t do that they have labor contracts with the UAW. Apparently you don’t understand how labor contracts work. I guess you’re young and don’t understand how the automotive industry works.
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Old 12-07-2018, 09:03 AM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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Can’t do that they have labor contracts with the UAW. Apparently you don’t understand how labor contracts work. I guess you’re young and don’t understand how the automotive industry works.
Yeah - I'm 'young'. I spent almost 30 years working for GM, Ford, Toyota, Land Rover, Nissan, and others. So I obviously know nothing about that industry.

UAW contracts are up for renewal every 4 years. Ford's ends in September of 2019. They could easily add in the VW work, or decide not to.

Ford could also say that they are making a break from the UAW and contracting things out. They could do a lot of things. The UAW doesn't have near the power they once did, and business models are changing. From what I saw the UAW as an organization never did a single thing for the manufacturers so seeing them go would be no loss. They have a lot of good members, people I've worked on the line with, but as a whole I'd shed the UAW organization like a dead skin if it was up to me.
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