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Old 01-16-2019, 03:08 PM
 
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Planned obscelensce, and making sure owners can NOT work on their own cars, and forcing people to bring it to the DEALER.
Not just making sure owners can't work on cars, making sure independent mechanics can't work on cars either
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Old 01-16-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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https://youtu.be/M3FDu8KvXOg

Iím sure weíve all at some point watched online car reviews. I know I do. I came across this guy a couple of weeks ago and just about watched everything heís done. His videos are very well done I would even say it rivals MT and others.

Any way as some here know Iím not into cars with a lot of technology and these are some really good reason why.
You think thereís a lot of technology in cars, guess what, itís going into all things, appliances, refrigerators even the entry lever washing machines all have sensor controls with glass touch screens.

You think itís bad now, just wait, it will increase exponentially and you will see these everywhere and on everything. And when thereís a problem, thereíll be telling you that the whole control panel needs to be replaced❗️
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Old 01-16-2019, 06:52 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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You think thereís a lot of technology in cars, guess what, itís going into all things, appliances, refrigerators even the entry lever washing machines all have sensor controls with glass touch screens.

You think itís bad now, just wait, it will increase exponentially and you will see these everywhere and on everything. And when thereís a problem, thereíll be telling you that the whole control panel needs to be replaced❗️
Hell they have kitchen stoves that you can turn on from your smartphone.
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Old 01-17-2019, 04:36 PM
 
Location: Maryland
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Why on gawd's green earth do we need light bulbs connected to a CAN network??
Because the car then tells you while driving that a bulb is out, so you don't go around without a brake light like so many people do. I loved that in my BMW. If a license plate bulb or taillight or brake light went out while driving, the car said so in a readout on the dash that said "check brake lights" or the like. Nice, even for those of us that are pretty well versed in cars. And a godsend for those that don't do a complete aircraft style pre-flight check on their car every time they get in to go somewhere. Which is most of us.
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Old 01-17-2019, 05:07 PM
 
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Because the car then tells you while driving that a bulb is out, so you don't go around without a brake light like so many people do. I loved that in my BMW. If a license plate bulb or taillight or brake light went out while driving, the car said so in a readout on the dash that said "check brake lights" or the like. Nice, even for those of us that are pretty well versed in cars. And a godsend for those that don't do a complete aircraft style pre-flight check on their car every time they get in to go somewhere. Which is most of us.
1993-1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee had this as part of the VIC unit below the climate controls. There was no CANBUS, there was no OBD2!!!
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Old 01-20-2019, 10:54 PM
 
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Not just making sure owners can't work on cars, making sure independent mechanics can't work on cars either
exactly
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Old 01-21-2019, 11:14 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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1993-1995 Jeep Grand Cherokee had this as part of the VIC unit below the climate controls. There was no CANBUS, there was no OBD2!!!
Semantics. The Jeep EVIC setup was a computer controlled integrated system that did, in a rudimentary way, exactly what a modern CANBUS system does. They just called it something else. The repair of it is done like any other computerized system. How do you think it got the information back to the computer to tell that a bulb was out? It sent pulses down the wires to a module that measured resistance. Which is similar what the CANBUS and iBUS systems do in modern cars.

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Old 01-21-2019, 11:59 PM
 
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It's also total BS that these cars today are built to be throw away cars or built with planned obsolescence in mind.

GM Ford and Chrysler tried to build cars once that way. Hmmmmm... When was that? Oh, that's right: the 80's. When the Japanese started upping their game and the american car companies were getting greedy and cocky and ambivalent.

Sure got those clocks cleaned, didn't they? That problem affects their sales STILL TODAY because some people are still stuck in the past believing: Japanese = good, American = crap.
NO car company on Earth today wants to be known as "The car company that makes lousy throw away cars"... or "the car company that makes cars that are obsolete in 5 years".


And exactly how would a car be obsolete anyway? Is the radio just going to stop working some day without an update?

how would a car become obsolete? well here are a few ways:


1. create alot of false dependencies, all a car needs to go is an engine, driveshaft, steering, brakes and 4 wheels. everything else is an added bonus but should not be required to start your damn car. when computer systems first started appearing in cars, you could take them out and still drive around when the computer gave up the ghost. as a result minor computer problems will turn your car into a yard decoration if the electronics break down post warranty.



2. Make them harder to work on yourself
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:51 AM
 
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Semantics. The Jeep EVIC setup was a computer controlled integrated system that did, in a rudimentary way, exactly what a modern CANBUS system does. They just called it something else. The repair of it is done like any other computerized system. How do you think it got the information back to the computer to tell that a bulb was out? It sent pulses down the wires to a module that measured resistance. Which is similar what the CANBUS and iBUS systems do in modern cars.
If it doesnít say itís CANBUS, itís not CANBUS. In other words, if the signaling (or lack thereof) cannot be interpreted by the manufacturerís system bearing the actual name, it is NOT the same type of system.

CANBUS actually sends meaningful information across a string ďBUSĒ of systems, and the VIC just seems like a self contained proprietary computer that is more of a convenience / luxury.

You can take the VIC out of a Jeep and it will continue to run like normal, as if the unit hadnít even been part of it to begin with. CANBUS can throw MIL/CEL lights and is an integral part to how the car operates. It can control everything from steering wheel audio controls to pulse width modulation in headlights.
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Old 01-25-2019, 05:42 AM
 
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Well if you guys don't like that vid, here is another that says the same thing in a different way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnMttpnt3wU
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