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Old 01-22-2019, 02:29 PM
 
Location: NE Mississippi
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Do not engage other drivers.
At all.
Use your brake, steering wheel or accelerator to make it happen.


I had a friend who got involved in a road rage incident. My friend snapped off a shot with the small frame 38 and amazingly enough, killed the guy. Spent 10 years in Huntsville, TX after a long successful sales career. Family went broke, and Friend died about 3 years after his release. Family is destitute.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:09 PM
 
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Oh, man. I'm losing it. I've had 2 road-rage incidents this week where I just HAD to flip the bird or yell something out and Guy #1 followed me, Guy #2 pulled around, got out of his car and got into my face. Maaaaaan. It's gonna get me in trouble some day.

Anyways, with Guy #1, he pulled an illegal U-turn and impeded the flow of traffic in my lane and the adjacent lanes. It was right in front of me so I flipped the bird on him and accelerated away from him. He pulled up to me and chased my butt for 5 miles before I did a dangerous, last-second exit to escape from him. He couldn't follow me and I just got on the access road and then back on the highway. Probably cost me 20 seconds of drive time. I hung back behind him after that.

Guy #2, this guy was an absolute genius. Wow. I went to the local grocer to get literally 4 things (that ended up being 5 things when I saw pistachios on sale) and driving out, I plod along the parking row until I get to the end when I have to brake hard: there was a car there! Why didn't I see that car? Because it's 10:30 PM at night and the genius is driving with LIGHTS OFF, just his aftermarket LEDs on the bumper are on. They don't illuminate at all! I thought it was really close, I braked hard, he didn't brake at all, just moved a little to the left. I high-beamed him, but he kept on driving with his lights off. He turned left, I had to go straight, I instinctively yelled at him to turn his lights on before someone hit him like I almost did. In the corner of my eye, I saw he had stopped and started turning in my direction. So I loop around and meet him. He gets OUT of the car instead of just lowering the window and gets all in my face. "What you say?!" "Sir, your lights are off and I nearly hit you! I told you to turn your lights on." "Awwww, that's what you said? Thought you had some negative energy going, huh? This is a parking spot, you don't have to turn your lights on." Said it when we're in the travel lane, not in a parking spot

(Can anyone clarify the law? I know you don't have to have lights on in a parking spot, but once you're out of the spot, lights are supposed to be on at night, correct?)

"Sir, I almost crashed into you and I just wanted you to turn your lights on. You saw what happened. Are you going to turn your lights on now?" "I'll think about it." "Okay, have a good night, Sir. Take care." *Window rolls up and I blast outta there while watching him in the side mirror* Still didn't turn his bloody lights on.

Sigh. I need to control these stupid emotional outbursts. I can't control what idiots do. I can, however, control my reactions to those idiots. And it looks like in these two instances, I didn't. Oh, well. Guess it's something to learn from. I really haven't had any road rage incidents in the 16 years I've driven, I have no clue what the heck is going on this week.

"Negative energy"? What was that about? Some hippie stuff? Just turn your lights on at night, man. What, are you just showing off your LEDs? Is that why you turn your regular lights on and make people nearly hit you? Whatever.
It's winter, people get grumpy. Add on stress after the holidays and voila.

It's ALWAYS more noticeable this time of year.

I've been in a bad mood myself lately and have less patience with other drivers but I'm not going to get myself shot or in an accident over it.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:16 PM
 
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Maaaaaan. It's gonna get me in trouble some day.

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Yes You will, guaranteed. So, let go off the gas, let the other party go. It is not personal, they are looking for trouble, not for you.
I drove a semi for 36 years. Guess how many times you get cut off.... I just keep my distance, so no need to brake abruptly. Let them find another pray. I got a little girl to take care of.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:39 PM
 
Location: Columbia SC
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The OP gets to easily upset and is inviting a nasty incident to happen to him. His epitaph might read: He was right but he was dead right.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:17 PM
 
Location: S.W. Florida
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Any time I feel like retaliation is in order for something some pr**k did on the road, I force myself to think about my family. If I get into a serious situation, and by that Iím talking about weapons here, what would happen to my family should I not come home. So far, that has been enough to cool my jets.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:23 PM
 
Location: Erie, PA
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The way I see it, other drivers are going to make mistakes on the road and sometimes you are going to be unlucky and be the driver they abruptly pull in front of, change lanes next to without looking to see if you are there, or are in a daze when the light turns green on a short green at rush hour. I mean s_t happens. The more driving you do, the more you are going to encounter it and the more traffic on the road with you means you are likely going to encounter other drivers' mistakes on at least a semi-regular basis.

Sometimes it's difficult to keep your cool but I think of it this way: the person who pulled out in front of you likely did not mean to do it. That person in front of you who sat in a daze at the green light didn't do it out of spite but likely had something else on his/her mind. I keep that in mind because I don't know what's going on in their heads--I've driven when I've been very upset and/or very distracted. I think we have all been there at one point or another.

I also keep in mind that I have made a couple of really, really stupid mistakes in traffic in the past and I was "that" driver that likely raised other drivers' blood pressure for a few minutes. I didn't see a car in my blind spot once and almost caused an accident once and another time when I first started driving I put my brakes on hard going down an icy/snowy hill and nearly caused another accident. None of us are perfect drivers

I just react by putting on the brakes/steering to avoid them, not getting upset and going on my way. I drive many miles and I figure that I avoided an accident, they avoided an accident and we both get to go home in one piece to our families.

It's not worth it to me to get worked up over incidents on the road; who needs the increased blood pressure and all that goes with it? I have a boss who freaks out over everything on the road and it is VERY unpleasant riding with her. When I visit corporate, I usually drive and she's happier that way since she doesn't have to stress out and I don't have to listen to her rage over the traffic.

There's bigger things in life to be concerned about IMO.
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Old 01-22-2019, 07:47 PM
 
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Numerous posts have hit right on the solution -- don't engage.

The underlying emotion beneath road rage episodes is anger. Let me be blunt -- anger is never called for. Never. For those of you (like me at one time) who think that they are justified in expressing anger at injustices of various sorts, let me say it again: anger is not a constructive or appropriate response to injustice (in this case, perceived injustice from bad driving).

Angry people always make excuses up to justify their anger, but anger is a negative emotion that harms the issuer.

If you need someone else to tell you this (and I did), please read Seneca's essay, "Of Anger," pp. 88-171, in Dialogues by Seneca, translated by Aubrey Stewart and Damian Stevenson (2017; or any good translation of Seneca).
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:47 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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The last road rage incident I was involved in I regretted massively.

About 2 years ago in SoCal, a guy in a "riced out" Honda Accord left his car stopped in front of me at a "green light" for about 10 seconds before I gave him a little beep to get him going. He started accelerating so I thought everything was done, and we could go about our business.

Nope.

The guy pulls up next to me, it's a huge black guy, and a smaller black guy in the passenger seat. The driver (big black guy) makes a motion for me to roll the window down. I roll it down and say (pretty politely), "What's going on brotha?"

He says, "You want that smoke?" At the time I didn't know what that meant but later found out it meant "gun" as in "smoke from a gun battle".

I replied, "No, it's a filthy habit", thinking he was talking about cigarettes or joints. I smiled and drove on thinking the guy was making a peace offering.

About 2 miles closer to home, I noticed the same ****ty ghetto Accord was tailing me. Every time I'd turn, or change lanes, the two dudes were right there. This is when I began to get a little sketched. So to do a little test I pull into the Costco parking lot a couple of miles before my home (I didn't want to lead these retards directly to my house), and without hesitation I'm being followed by the same idiots. Now I'm getting a little pissed. I park in an area where there aren't many other cars (for a Costco), and they park a few cars down.

Massive black guy gets out first and starts walking high and mighty towards my truck, all 6'3, and 320 pounds of him I estimate. What massive black guy doesn't know is I have a fully loaded Glock 19 with one in the chamber that I had unholstered and in my driver side door storage (it was in a holster, but I didn't have it on my waist because it was a little uncomfortable while driving). I hold a CCW in California, and pretty much carry with me 99% of the time I am awake. I get out of the truck (my first mistake), and I look massive black guy dead in his eyes as I'm reaching down behind my driver side door to pick up my Glock 19 and possibly put an entire magazine into massive black guys chest from 15 yards out.

LUCKILY he notices this motion, and quite astutely surmises what I'm about to do, gives me the middle finger and starts walking back to his car. I didn't even get to grab my pistol when he is making a hasty retreat to his ****ty Honda, and burns rubber out of the parking lot probably calling me all sorts of nasty words on the way out.

I remember sitting there thinking of what could have happened and decided I had made two huge mistakes.

1) Instead of engaging the black guy at all, I should have left my window rolled up.
2) Instead of stopping in the parking lot, and possibly having to gun down a guy with bigger muscles than brains, I should have called the CHP, or Sheriffs to come down and handle this situation, or just drive directly to the Sheriffs station.
Wow. Seconds way from an unpleasant 15 year vacation
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Old 01-23-2019, 08:53 AM
 
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Oh, man. I'm losing it. I've had 2 road-rage incidents this week where I just HAD to flip the bird or yell something out and Guy #1 followed me, Guy #2 pulled around, got out of his car and got into my face. Maaaaaan. It's gonna get me in trouble some day.

Anyways, with Guy #1, he pulled an illegal U-turn and impeded the flow of traffic in my lane and the adjacent lanes. It was right in front of me so I flipped the bird on him and accelerated away from him. He pulled up to me and chased my butt for 5 miles before I did a dangerous, last-second exit to escape from him. He couldn't follow me and I just got on the access road and then back on the highway. Probably cost me 20 seconds of drive time. I hung back behind him after that.

Guy #2, this guy was an absolute genius. Wow. I went to the local grocer to get literally 4 things (that ended up being 5 things when I saw pistachios on sale) and driving out, I plod along the parking row until I get to the end when I have to brake hard: there was a car there! Why didn't I see that car? Because it's 10:30 PM at night and the genius is driving with LIGHTS OFF, just his aftermarket LEDs on the bumper are on. They don't illuminate at all! I thought it was really close, I braked hard, he didn't brake at all, just moved a little to the left. I high-beamed him, but he kept on driving with his lights off. He turned left, I had to go straight, I instinctively yelled at him to turn his lights on before someone hit him like I almost did. In the corner of my eye, I saw he had stopped and started turning in my direction. So I loop around and meet him. He gets OUT of the car instead of just lowering the window and gets all in my face. "What you say?!" "Sir, your lights are off and I nearly hit you! I told you to turn your lights on." "Awwww, that's what you said? Thought you had some negative energy going, huh? This is a parking spot, you don't have to turn your lights on." Said it when we're in the travel lane, not in a parking spot

(Can anyone clarify the law? I know you don't have to have lights on in a parking spot, but once you're out of the spot, lights are supposed to be on at night, correct?)

"Sir, I almost crashed into you and I just wanted you to turn your lights on. You saw what happened. Are you going to turn your lights on now?" "I'll think about it." "Okay, have a good night, Sir. Take care." *Window rolls up and I blast outta there while watching him in the side mirror* Still didn't turn his bloody lights on.

Sigh. I need to control these stupid emotional outbursts. I can't control what idiots do. I can, however, control my reactions to those idiots. And it looks like in these two instances, I didn't. Oh, well. Guess it's something to learn from. I really haven't had any road rage incidents in the 16 years I've driven, I have no clue what the heck is going on this week.

"Negative energy"? What was that about? Some hippie stuff? Just turn your lights on at night, man. What, are you just showing off your LEDs? Is that why you turn your regular lights on and make people nearly hit you? Whatever.
You were in a private parking lot so traffic laws do not apply. You would think people would have enough sense to turn their headlights on even in a parking lot but some people are just stupid.

You are right about road rage is going to get you in trouble one day. There are nuts everywhere and it is best to leave them alone as much as possible. I know every once in a while some a-hole needs to be flipped off and I do it as well. My biggest pet peeve is dumbasses that do not understand how multi-lane highways are supposed to work and they cruise in the left lane holding up faster moving traffic. That is actually the number one cause of road rage incidents.

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Wow. Seconds way from an unpleasant 15 year vacation
I don't think so. The big dumb black guy was coming at him. If you reach the point you fear for your life, you have the right to defend yourself. California is a pretty ****ed up state though so you can't really say any rational laws would hold up in court. You never know what those tree huggers and liberal judges are going to do. lol
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Old 01-23-2019, 08:59 AM
 
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What I used to break this behavior was asking myself if I thought I changed the other driver's behavior (never). And then asking what effect road rage had on me when I responded (drove me crazy for hours or days, like OP), vs. when I ignored it (forgot about it within and hour). Eventually it will sink in you are doing nothing but making yourself miserable. Then you just say to yourself, "ignore it, I won't change that jerk and this will drive me crazy if I respond."

Another cure is faster but costs money. Take a trip to a city with notoriously terrible drivers and drive there for a week. When you come home, your tolerance for bad driving will be much higher.


Yet another cure is to repeat good thoughts for everyone. Warning, this one is spiritual. But it works! I use Buddhist loving friendliness. "May all beings be happy and well. May all being have happy minds..." etc.
The Dominican Republic is a prime example. I love the people and the culture but if you can drive here, you can drive almost anywhere..
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