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Old 01-23-2019, 05:16 PM
 
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I have question. What are all these people going to argue about after Tesla goes bankrupt and disappears? lol
That they were bullied into making rash decisions and fake press ruined their reputation, diminishing their perceived usefulness, absolute and competitive advantages, and overall value.

I'd laugh and throw a party, to be honest. My Chevy Volt was 1/4 the price and provided enough range for my commute to be 100% electric. Also, gas backup.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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As the Japanese maxim puts it, the nail that sticks out gets hammered in. Tesla itself hasn't gone out of its way to pose and preen about its superiority, but its fanboy club got real, real tiresome real, real fast.
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Old 01-23-2019, 07:59 PM
 
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As the Japanese maxim puts it, the nail that sticks out gets hammered in. Tesla itself hasn't gone out of its way to pose and preen about its superiority, but its fanboy club got real, real tiresome real, real fast.
It shows in the conservative styling, conservative power, and conservative technological advancement in Lexus, Acura, and Infiniti.
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Old Yesterday, 02:46 PM
 
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I have question. What are all these people going to argue about after Tesla goes bankrupt and disappears? lol
1.5-2 billion in quarterly EBITDA and growing says nope.
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Old Yesterday, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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1.5-2 billion in quarterly EBITDA and growing says nope.
Laying off over 15% of its employees...
Slowdown in sales of its bread-and-butter model...
"No refresh strategy" for existing models...
Subsidies shrinking away...

I'd say the USCWAP factor trumps your EBITDA.

(The C is for "creek"...)
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Old Yesterday, 03:28 PM
 
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Laying off over 15% of its employees...
Slowdown in sales of its bread-and-butter model...
"No refresh strategy" for existing models...
Subsidies shrinking away...

I'd say the USCWAP factor trumps your EBITDA.

(The C is for "creek"...)
In a pure speculative wager, I'd bet the market is just saturated. You might not have GROWTH every single quarter for eternity - that's insane.
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Old Yesterday, 03:41 PM
 
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In a pure speculative wager, I'd bet the market is just saturated. You might not have GROWTH every single quarter for eternity - that's insane.
Oh, I agree. But tell the stockholders, the market and the fan club that.

And as the survival model depends on continual growth to keep the Ponzi marbles moving (due in no small part to the stockholders, the market and the bleachers crowd)...
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Old Yesterday, 04:52 PM
 
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Oh, I agree. But tell the stockholders, the market and the fan club that.

And as the survival model depends on continual growth to keep the Ponzi marbles moving (due in no small part to the stockholders, the market and the bleachers crowd)...
Market is not looking so hot for Tesla at the moment. They’ve finally reached mass production and they’re trading lower than they were a year ago.
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Old Today, 03:16 PM
 
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"No refresh strategy" for existing models...)
Lol, do you really think that?
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Old Today, 03:47 PM
 
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Lol, do you really think that?
Toyota's refresh strategy, in a nutshell:

Make late 2000's models look like one model higher:

- Corolla looks like Camry, Camry looks like Avalon

Make early 2010's models look like one model lower:

- Camry looks like a Corolla (with a facelift), Avalon looks like a Camry (with a facelift)

Mix it up in the late 2010's:

- Corolla looks like Prius, Camry looks like a Corolla with a new ass end, Avalon looks like a Lexus.

"Innovative"
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