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Old 01-22-2019, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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So, interesting. I thought Tesla's huge advantage in the market and in IP was their genius at battery technology. But a story today makes it clear that all Tesla battery systems are built with standard-format cells made by Panasonic - some imported, some built under license in Nevada. (The point of the story is that the new Gigafactory in China will use, surprise surprise, an alternate Chinese battery maker.)

So all that genius and innovation and seekret IP boils down to... building battery packs with someone else's long-established tech, just like Ryobi, Porter-Cable and Black & Decker? Huh.

What's next, Musk getting credit for inventing a round thing cars can roll on?
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Old 01-22-2019, 02:13 PM
 
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Huh?

You're right anyone can make the cells. Tesla owns the IP for the specific recipe that's inside them.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:02 PM
 
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Um, you're just now learning that Panasonic battery tech is in Teslas? The individual cell format and maker has been known since before the first Tesla roadster rolled off the assembly line a decade ago. The IP has always been in the layout, internal connections and management of the battery pack. It's never been secret, either.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:03 PM
 
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Huh?

You're right anyone can make the cells. Tesla owns the IP for the specific recipe that's inside them.
A cite would be appreciated. What I find is that they are standard, high-quality LiIon cells that differ very little from what any manufacturer could order, and all the secret sauce is the way they build and manage the battery packs.
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Old 01-22-2019, 04:42 PM
 
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A cite would be appreciated. What I find is that they are standard, high-quality LiIon cells that differ very little from what any manufacturer could order, and all the secret sauce is the way they build and manage the battery packs.
ZeApido is wrong and cvetters is right.
The cells themselves are off the shelf. Teslaís IP is the layout and packaging.
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Old 01-22-2019, 06:21 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Um, you're just now learning that Panasonic battery tech is in Teslas? The individual cell format and maker has been known since before the first Tesla roadster rolled off the assembly line a decade ago. The IP has always been in the layout, internal connections and management of the battery pack. It's never been secret, either.
I never paid much attention, but managed to absorb the hosannas directed Tesla's way for their sheer magic and brilliant innovation in the matter.
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:50 PM
 
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We should all just pull a George Costanza and do the opposite of what Ziggy says...


One example:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...-tech-14626638

"The 2170 battery cells being produced by Panasonic at Tesla's Gigafactory in Nevada were designed by both firms and the intellectual property behind them is reportedly exclusive to Tesla"
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Old 01-22-2019, 09:53 PM
 
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Now in fairness that wording doesn't mean Tesla owns the IP, but they are the only ones who can use it. Competitors will not have access to the same chemistry. I have no idea who easy to reverse engineer but does not seem easy.
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Old 01-23-2019, 12:58 AM
 
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Batteries are a dead end technology. The same as solar, wind, and the internal combustion engine. They're pretty much maxed out efficiency wise. It would be nice if they stopped holding back technology that would drastically revolutionize our energy usage but that would put entire industries under. Cheap and near limitless energy would not make the energy mongers any money.
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Old 01-23-2019, 03:08 AM
 
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We should all just pull a George Costanza and do the opposite of what Ziggy says...


One example:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.the...-tech-14626638

"The 2170 battery cells being produced by Panasonic at Tesla's Gigafactory in Nevada were designed by both firms and the intellectual property behind them is reportedly exclusive to Tesla"
Thatís the Model 3ís cells. The Model S and X use the off the shelf Panasonic 18650 cells.
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