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Old 02-19-2019, 06:35 PM
 
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The real fun hasn't started just yet. Wait until you mix these with humans driving together. Road rage, the autonomous doesnt stand a chance.
One sided road rage will prove to be a non starter. Throwing the finger at a machine that does not give a darn will not be very satisfying. And if you actually dare mess with the thing no that there are going to be beautiful pictures of you and your car and pretty quickly communication package identity.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:40 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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In general the self driving systems will be well insulated from mischief. Pretty easy to do. Virtually all cars today are computer controlled. You been hacked? That is because it is pretty much impossible
No cars today, including all AV prototypes, have realtime input from outside sources. You can't get to any of their controllers without a hardwired connection or a narrow diagnostic connection. Continuous, wideband, fast-authorization realtime communication with every other element on and around the road is key to widespread success of AVs.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:43 PM
 
Location: Coastal, NC
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[quote=lvmensch;54479734]One sided road rage will prove to be a non starter. Throwing the finger at a machine that does not give a darn will not be very satisfying. And if you actually dare mess with the thing no that there are going to be beautiful pictures of you and your car and pretty quickly communication package identity.

Who said anything about throwing a finger. Thats your idea of road rage is it. I see all kinds of problems with this industry. We will be the guinea pigs to fix their future problems.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:50 PM
 
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No cars today, including all AV prototypes, have realtime input from outside sources. You can't get to any of their controllers without a hardwired connection or a narrow diagnostic connection. Continuous, wideband, fast-authorization realtime communication with every other element on and around the road is key to widespread success of AVs.
No. Fiction. Virtually all AVs will operate fine with no external connections. Nature of the beast. They will use communications eventually for navigation where reasonable band width would be helpful but nothing really wide. And the local comm links between vehicles and the infrastructure will likely be relatively light weight. And they will likely be basically local...a hundred meters or two...and not real fast. No need. Doubt the bandwidth needs to get to a megabyte a second.

There may well be some wider connections like 5G to download maps or entertainment. But that can be encoded and pretty well protected.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:13 PM
 
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There are still too many kinks to be worked out. My estimate: 30 years. Other than some greedy long-haul trucking companies looking to cut labor cost, I don't see the point of self-driving cars.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:19 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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No. Fiction. Virtually all AVs will operate fine with no external connections. Nature of the beast.
Well, you'd better go confab with the other fanbois, then, since the universal argument about things like bad/unmarked roads and maximum collision avoidance involve a massive networked communications web between traffic systems, other vehicles and precision navigation aids.

Can't have it both ways. Either AVs are going to be so incredibly intelligent and sophisticated that nothing will ever confuse or throw them, or the problems that can't be readily solved by onboard computing will be augmented with this super-network stuff. Choose one.

You might also want to go do some reading on IoT and how cars are going to be a big snuggly wonderful part of that.
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Old 02-19-2019, 07:21 PM
 
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There are still too many kinks to be worked out. My estimate: 30 years. Other than some greedy long-haul trucking companies looking to cut labor cost, I don't see the point of self-driving cars.
Really pretty much absurd. The die has already been cast. I would agree trucks are the first. The return is very high and there are lots of opportunity for partial implementation.

Then rapid transit buses. Cut the size to a quarter and flexible routing. Does away with light rail and conventional buses.

Then for hire vehicles. Again simple implementation and easily afford the cost.

Finally the great mass of vehicles. By now the price is down and the savings clear.

Ten to fifteen years...
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Old 02-19-2019, 09:05 PM
 
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Can't mix driverless with drivers. It has to be one or the other to work properly. If it's 80% autonomous then the other 20% will be speeding and cutting off the driverless causing accidents. Has to be 100% autonomous.
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Old 02-20-2019, 12:03 AM
 
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There are still too many kinks to be worked out. My estimate: 30 years. Other than some greedy long-haul trucking companies looking to cut labor cost, I don't see the point of self-driving cars.

Over 40,000 people in the U.S. were killed both in 2016 and 2017. Autonomous cars will be able to cut that rate in half in the very near future. If you have ever lost someone to an automobile accident, or had someone seriously injured you could see the point of self driving cars. Additionally, we are looking at a timeframe of 5 to 10 years, not 3 decades. Computer technology and capabilities are not only increasing, but increasing in an exponential rate. Your cell phone has more power than a 1989 supercomputer, Video production suite, etc. 30 years automated cars will not only be accepted, they will be the norm with self driving being the minority.
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Old 02-20-2019, 01:44 AM
 
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Article says it won't be anytime soon and lists valid reasons. Why are people in denial? It won't be soon. Most of us posting in the automotive section are going to be dead before it's the norm. Too bad I don't want to drive anymore.
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