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Old 02-25-2019, 02:39 PM
 
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Ah here it is. How swiftly are you talking about here? I have a car that will last me at least 10 more years if there are no major accidents. When will you tell me I can't drive it anymore? And why will I listen to you?

You sound a lot like a guy who owned a horse and buggy in 1900.

"My horse will last me another 15 years as long as I take him to the vet regularly"

Yeah, and? Were you making a point?

Go look at pictures of 5th Avenue in New York between 1900 and 1915. When technology comes along that is decisively better and provides obvious advantages to the status quo, adoption is rapid.

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Old 02-25-2019, 07:43 PM
 
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The US is focused on the wrong thing. I just saw a 60 minutes segment on electric cars in China. Their government is helping their electric car industry to succeed. In the near future there is a very good chance that the Chinese will dominate the electric car industry worldwide while the US will still be messing around with the latest fad -- self-driving cars.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:46 PM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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The US is focused on the wrong thing. I just saw a 60 minutes segment on electric cars in China. Their government is helping their electric car industry to succeed. In the near future there is a very good chance that the Chinese will dominate the electric car industry worldwide while the US will still be messing around with the latest fad -- self-driving cars.
Yep. The US government used to do the same thing for new technologies when they realized the old tech was out of date. Bell Labs was a monopoly that Uncle Sam threw money at during the 1950's to invent the future. Curtis Wright and other big Av were in the same spot. That kind of long term thinking was a big driver of the unparalleled prosperity we enjoyed post WW2. Now we just have a big mess as the subsidies and support goes to the biggest campaign contributors, all to help perpetuate the past and the associated short term gains. We've lost it and China will pick up the ball in this century.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:49 PM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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No, it’s not. How will a car be able to distinguish a white road due to dried salt, versus a road that is actually snow covered?

How will a car distinguish between leaves blowing on the road versus a tree that has fallen and blocked the road? The technology isn’t even close to that point yet. Look at that “self-driving” car that hit and killed a guy that was crossing the road on a bicycle. A person was supposed to be monitoring the car, but failed to do that, and the car wasn’t smart enough to know to hit the brakes.

So many people are misled about where this technology is at the current time. There are tons of problems that do not yet have a solution.
That woman with the bike? She was wearing all black, at night, in an area with no street lights, and crossing the road on a curve. A human driver wouldn't have been able to miss her either. It was almost as if she was trying to get hit.
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Old 02-25-2019, 09:55 PM
 
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That woman with the bike? She was wearing all black, at night, in an area with no street lights, and crossing the road on a curve. A human driver wouldn't have been able to miss her either. It was almost as if she was trying to get hit.
Nope. She was actually the easiest of targets. Moving and obvious to LIDAR and radar. And Uber has admitted the sensors saw her. The issue was that the spotted target was not responded to... the software refused to deal with a recognized target so she died. Pretty much a criminal failure.
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:12 PM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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Nope. She was actually the easiest of targets. Moving and obvious to LIDAR and radar. And Uber has admitted the sensors saw her. The issue was that the spotted target was not responded to... the software refused to deal with a recognized target so she died. Pretty much a criminal failure.
Interesting. I didn't see you in the room.
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Old 02-25-2019, 10:22 PM
 
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Interesting. I didn't see you in the room.
There was no "room". Just data. Simple data. Blown by careless developers. As a practical matter that car should not have been on the street.
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Old Yesterday, 08:11 AM
 
Location: San Ramon, Seattle, Anchorage, Reykjavik
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There was no "room". Just data. Simple data. Blown by careless developers. As a practical matter that car should not have been on the street.
Sorry, but no. Given that Uber released zero details to the public, other than the dash cam videos, everything here is speculation. The crash report was high level and covered no tech. Even the court details are sealed.

Funny - if it had been a normal car the end result would have been the same. But, in that case, everyone would have been tearing the 'stupid cyclist' to shreds for her unsafe and potentially illegal crossing.
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Old Yesterday, 08:16 AM
 
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Another naysaying article on February 26 from the CEO of ARM Holdings. https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/news/hu...--finance.html

Gotta be decades away, not years.
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Old Yesterday, 10:09 AM
 
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The US is focused on the wrong thing. I just saw a 60 minutes segment on electric cars in China. Their government is helping their electric car industry to succeed. In the near future there is a very good chance that the Chinese will dominate the electric car industry worldwide while the US will still be messing around with the latest fad -- self-driving cars.
Ready for this? The US is focused on EV’s and self driving cars. That’s right in a free market economy you can focus on a million things at once. Only the strongest technologies succeed.

China used to primarily use bikes for transportation. Now they need electric cars to help with the smog they inflicted on themselves in their struggle to be the world’s dumping ground and home of cheap environmentally toxic manufacturing. Only after they can’t see their hand in front of their face they decide to do something drastic about their smog problem. They’re trying to out manufacture a problem created by manufacturing.
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