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Old 02-28-2019, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Given that the few existing steer-by-wire cars retain steering wheels, I'd count on them retaining them for quite a while. Yes, it's a "Play Station" controller with no mechanical linkage. Yes, it still looks like a steering wheel. Why? Because it's what people are used to.

I'd be highly surprised if it's difficult to get a Class 4/Class 5 AV without a steering wheel in the next 20 years. They may not be in Waymo/Uber vehicles, but they will be available in consumer vehicles. You might have a few manufacturers that make cars without but they will be the minority, at least at first. And yes, you'll even not only have the illusion of being able to take control but the actual ability to take control via your Play Station controller steering wheel. To the end user it really makes no difference. We're all used to gas pedals that are nothing but "Play Station" controllers. Steer-by-wire won't be any different.
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Old 02-28-2019, 02:57 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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That the QWERTY was designed to be slower and inefficient is the theory, actually false. It is designed to allow faster typing while preventing jams from multiple keys mashed at once.

Just like your keyboard of today being different than your typewriter, the steering will be very different, yet work the same. Steering wheel on the left hand side that directs the car. Steer by wire is better. But just because you can implement a yoke or a joystick doesn't mean its better.
In many of the target markets there is no driver so a steering wheel is a waste of space and resources.

And in fact there are lots of times when a remote control could be useful. Maneuvering a vehicle from outside it is an obvious one. The garbage truck for one task where it could be useful.
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Old 02-28-2019, 03:08 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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Given that the few existing steer-by-wire cars retain steering wheels, I'd count on them retaining them for quite a while. Yes, it's a "Play Station" controller with no mechanical linkage. Yes, it still looks like a steering wheel. Why? Because it's what people are used to.

I'd be highly surprised if it's difficult to get a Class 4/Class 5 AV without a steering wheel in the next 20 years. They may not be in Waymo/Uber vehicles, but they will be available in consumer vehicles. You might have a few manufacturers that make cars without but they will be the minority, at least at first. And yes, you'll even not only have the illusion of being able to take control but the actual ability to take control via your Play Station controller steering wheel. To the end user it really makes no difference. We're all used to gas pedals that are nothing but "Play Station" controllers. Steer-by-wire won't be any different.
Could be...we will see. The airplane yoke has given way to side sticks in the case of Airbus and others. However Boeing and others have maintained the yoke. Both designs are fully fly by wire just use a different version of the input device. Initially we are certain to see both. Conversions will have steering wheels and fresh designs for hire cars and taxis will not.

Then the market will determine what sells. I would project it starts out favoring wheels but ends up with nothing in the standard device. But we shall see. I have no likelihood of living long enough to see the outcome.
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Old 03-02-2019, 11:42 PM
 
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Steering wheels are designed to allow the use of muscle-to give the human leverage.

While that will have been the intended purpose one of the important things you get from a steering wheel is feedback, you won't get that from a controller...
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Old 03-03-2019, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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While that will have been the intended purpose one of the important things you get from a steering wheel is feedback, you won't get that from a controller...
Depends. Pretty much a design decision. Steer by wire wheels have no more feedback than a joy stick or a side stick. However any can be rigged with feedback if you wish.

Note though none have any actual physical tie...so it is all simply sensor feedback.
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