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Old 02-13-2019, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Every red light camera in Mpls was shut down and removed. Care to explain?
Because the cities that have installed them on a large scale eventually find they're more hassle than they're worth, with scofflaws contesting their tickets based on fairly hand-waving Constitutional grounds. And there has been some abuse, yes, but Ohio has been a national speed trap since at least the 1960s.

Speed cams and red light cams are legal and Constitutional, because the equipment only records a vehicle and plate when a prima facie violation is detected. They're not recording every vehicle and then sifting for violations, which would be a violation of the Fourth.

Many cities/states have also rewritten the enforcement laws to tie the violation to the vehicle and owner; if you weren't the one driving it, you're free to say who was. Again legal and Constitutional.

What's shockingly anti-Fourth is the use of cameras to record and track every vehicle (and, now, face) that passes and store that information, absent any connection to any kind of illegal activity or violation, and using that data later as criminal inference. Unreasonable search at the base of it, and it persists only through public ignorance of the practice and the fact that it doesn't do things like automatically generate tickets. So it must be okay, y'know.
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Old 02-13-2019, 01:41 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston
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Go to Germany. You will rarely see a traffic cop least to say - get pulled over. cameras everywhere. Well, and law abiding drivers also.
Yeah. Their cops don't deal with idiots who would deny their own wrongdoing. People actually have more sense and self respect to admit and pay for their mistakes.
And cops have more time to their job than chase traffic offenders or waste their time at the court. No lawyer would take any of it anyway.

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How are they going to prove who was driving? If you are driving my vehicle and get caught via picture of plates, I get a ticket? Yeah, I'll be hiring my lawyer friend right now.

So when I can verify I wasn't driving, the ticket will be thrown out.
Who cares who was driving? It doesn't matter. If you lend your car to someone who is an irresponsible driver that's between you two. You get an electronic ticket for his reckless driving, you ask him to pay and learn your lesson.
If he gets a ticket written by a cop, it's his ticket, and he has to pay.
But if he causes an accident who is going to pay? You.
If you take a look back at your car insurance policy, it likely states that you are not to lend out your vehicle to anyone unless they are listed on the policy as a secondary driver.

If you rent a car and get a ticket or accident , the rental company isn't paying for it. You do.

So, if you don't know it yet, you need to read this:
https://thelawdictionary.org/article...surance-rates/
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:04 PM
 
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Go to Germany. You will rarely see a traffic cop least to say - get pulled over. cameras everywhere. Well, and law abiding drivers also.
Germany also has higher speed limits. 130 km/hr (81mph) or unlimited on most of the Autobahn.
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Old 02-13-2019, 02:09 PM
 
Location: San Antonio/Houston
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Germany also has higher speed limits. 130 km/hr (81mph) or unlimited on most of the Autobahn.
It doesn't matter. People are tempted to drive faster than that. If they get caught, they pay. You probably would try to drive faster too. There is no speed limit that could ever satisfy some drivers.

BTW: yes, Germany has no speed limit on SELECTED hwys. But they have better roads, better cars and better drivers. Their drivers are also more responsible and obey the laws. Their Autobahns are not going through cities either.
That's the major difference. So, yes THEY can.
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Old Yesterday, 02:48 PM
 
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It doesn't matter. People are tempted to drive faster than that. If they get caught, they pay. You probably would try to drive faster too. There is no speed limit that could ever satisfy some drivers.

BTW: yes, Germany has no speed limit on SELECTED hwys. But they have better roads, better cars and better drivers. Their drivers are also more responsible and obey the laws. Their Autobahns are not going through cities either.
That's the major difference. So, yes THEY can.
German drivers do indeed get traffic tickets. I am not sure I would call a VW rabbit a better car.
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Old Yesterday, 03:06 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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German drivers do indeed get traffic tickets.
Yes, because while speed limits are relaxed, proper safe driving is rigidly enforced. Wouldn't it be nice if all the pushy dipsticks you share a highway with got stiff tickets for not sharing the roadway with courtesy and regard for safety?

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I am not sure I would call a VW rabbit a better car.
Neither would Germans. The Rabbit was a US-only model.

The Golf GTi, on the other hand...
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Old Today, 05:13 PM
 
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Yes, because while speed limits are relaxed, proper safe driving is rigidly enforced. Wouldn't it be nice if all the pushy dipsticks you share a highway with got stiff tickets for not sharing the roadway with courtesy and regard for safety?


Neither would Germans. The Rabbit was a US-only model.

The Golf GTi, on the other hand...
The Rabbit was a re-named Golf. Same car, different badge. Golf GTi went on sale in US in 1982 with a massive 90 horsepower engine.
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