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Old 02-16-2019, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Vermont
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@ EckyX - How old is that list you posted? I have loved our SAAB automobiles and have never had problems with them, but the brand died in 2011! The newest SAABs on the road are greater than 8 years old.

I was torn between buying a CPO Volvo V60 Cross Country or a new Buick TourX. Even though I was leaning toward the Volvo this 2019 list has caused me to flip. I realize there is a level of subjectivity in the JD Power data but the difference between being ranked #5 versus #30 is significant!

The difference between being 7 or 10 is meh.... The difference between being top or bottom of the list is too great to ignore.
The list is updated continuously, but is still weighted with older vehicles. However, you can dive into their rankings and see which model years of which models are bad and which are good.
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Old 02-16-2019, 08:29 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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Dashboard-Light also has Mazda really low on the list, and Chevy pretty high:






The Sonic and Equinox must have come a long way:
I donít trust that list either. How in the world could Infiniti rank high, yet Nissan rank low? They share many of the same parts.

The only survey I even remotely trust is Consumer Reports.
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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I donít trust that list either. How in the world could Infiniti rank high, yet Nissan rank low? They share many of the same parts.

The only survey I even remotely trust is Consumer Reports.
The same thing with Chrysler, Dodge, and Fiat. Should I include Jeep? The list doesn't seem to be about what it says it is about.
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:11 AM
 
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I'd rather trust Scotty, who placed Chevrolet several models as the worst quality for 2018 period and 4 Toyotas and a Lexus as five most reliable period. Which is no surprise. Traverese being one of the worst to buy, considering someone here said "I'll go buy one". Like or not what he says, I doubt he's paid by anyone to say what he says.
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Old 02-16-2019, 09:17 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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I'd rather trust Scotty, who placed Chevrolet several models as the worst quality for 2018 period and 4 Toyotas and a Lexus as five most reliable period. Which is no surprise. Traverese being one of the worst to buy, considering someone here said "I'll go buy one". Like or not what he says, I doubt he's paid by anyone to say what he says.
You just have to do your research. The first several years of the Traverse was awful due to wave plate failures in the transmission and timing chain problems. Supposedly GM fixed those issues, or at least I hope so because my sister just bought a 2017 model.
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Old 02-16-2019, 10:09 AM
 
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With any study or survey READ the fine print.

From Forbes:

"For those keeping score, only four vehicles in the 2016 study received perfect scores in all three separate dependability categories, the Buick Verano compact sedan, Chevrolet Camaro sports coupe, and the GMC Yukon and Nissan Murano SUVs."

LINK
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Old 02-16-2019, 12:42 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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The same thing with Chrysler, Dodge, and Fiat. Should I include Jeep? The list doesn't seem to be about what it says it is about.
Most of those brands have predominantly electrical issues. Dashboard-Light states very clearly these stats are only for mechanical issues.

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I don’t trust that list either. How in the world could Infiniti rank high, yet Nissan rank low? They share many of the same parts.

The only survey I even remotely trust is Consumer Reports.
Honda and Acura have hugely different scores as well.

For a long time Honda's V6 automatic transmissions were complete garbage. Most Honda vehicles used 4 cylinders, whereas most Acuras had V6's.

These scores are statistics, they're not subjective. You just need to be sure what they're statistics of.

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Old 02-16-2019, 02:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego A.K.A "D.A.Y.G.O City"
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It would be nice to know what the exact problems are of each make and model instead of just ranking them from best to last.

Well what are the specifics? Itís like if I go out and buy XYZ vehicle what are the typical issues that I will have with it?

Every brand makes crappy cars, even Toyota with certain Scion brand models, and itís little Yaris.

Obviously the more complex something is, the greater the risk of it going to fail and being very expensive to fix.

They should have a long term study of vehicles of more than 5-10 years old, that ranking would be a lot more accurate and justified vs ones that are only a couple of years old.
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Old 02-16-2019, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Honolulu, HI
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JD power is is a PR/marketing firm aka their goal is to sell you cars, not truth.
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Old 02-16-2019, 05:46 PM
 
Location: S.W. Florida
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Being a retired Honda associate with nearly 30 years service, it is so painful to see my beloved Honda continue to slide in these rankings. Me thinks the near 40% temp. workforce is taking a huge toll on Honda quality. Way back in the day we would laugh at the poor rankings of Kia and Hyundai, never believing that one day fortunes would be reversed.
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