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Old 02-18-2019, 03:17 PM
 
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This is a silly "study" for a lot of reasons, the most blatant of which is they seem to think an analysis by brand has some meaning. They may as well do a study comparing the reliability of cars driven by Blondes as compared to cars driven by redheads. Which is more reliable? We need to know.


If the ford Fusions have a huge problem rate and the F-150 have virtually none. An overall average by brand tells you absolutely zero about the reliability of the Ford F 150. if the F-150 owners tend to be more picky and take their new truck back for things they do not understand or which most people would not care about, that also tells you nothing about the reliability of the F-150. If the buyers of Chevy spark tend to be kids who do not understand their car, but take it in a lot because it "sounds funny" when there is actually nothing wrong with it at all, that tells you zero about the reliability of the Chevy spark. Likewise if the Subaru WRX tends to be driven by kids who do not take car of their car and abuse it, a lot of broken items being repaired under warranty does not tell you anything about reliability in relation to say a Buick encore being driven by grandpas and grandmas and meticulously maintained. So if Toyota has less average warranty issues than Pontiac does that make the Matrix a better car than the Vibe? (Hint, they are the same car with the same designers built on the same line by the same people using the same parts).

These studies are completely worthless and studies by brand name are laughably worthless. .
Very true, it's been well over thirty years since the Dodge Caravan was introduced, a little bit sooner than its transmission was ready for prime time but Iacocca demanded they start selling them and even today there are people who claim they wouldn't buy one because the transmissions are no good, decades after they became bulletproof.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:00 PM
 
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I saw Mini near the top then immediately realized this list is made up BS.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:27 PM
 
Location: Vermont
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This is a silly "study" for a lot of reasons, the most blatant of which is they seem to think an analysis by brand has some meaning. They may as well do a study comparing the reliability of cars driven by Blondes as compared to cars driven by redheads. Which is more reliable? We need to know.
This is a great point. Dashboard-Light's data suggests there's a lot more variation on vehicles from a manufacturer than there are between most manufacturers. And, while certain practices (e.g. The Toyota Way) may make real, tangible, average-skewing differences in reliability, that doesn't mean Toyota still can't make a lemon.
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Old 02-19-2019, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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Do you have any data to support that?

I’ve had mine since July and it has been impeccable thus far. I couldn’t say the same for the other 6 cars I’ve had during my lifetime (3 Chevys, 1 Mitsubishi, 1 Geo and 1 Toyota). Some were better than others but each one had its flaws/mechanical issues.

It’s still early but thus far I would say that the Tesla is the most dependable and best built car I’ve ever owned.
https://www.truedelta.com/Tesla-Mode...liability-1376

The Tesla Model 3 is most unreliable car you can buy by a WIDE margin.

https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...erm-road-test/

Edmunds Model 3 has been nothing but trouble.
You know a car is unreliable when getting through a whole month without issues is noteworthy.

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Old 02-20-2019, 10:57 PM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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https://www.truedelta.com/Tesla-Mode...liability-1376

The Tesla Model 3 is most unreliable car you can buy by a WIDE margin.

https://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-...erm-road-test/

Edmunds Model 3 has been nothing but trouble.
You know a car is unreliable when getting through a whole month without issues is noteworthy.
I have 8,000 miles on my Model 3 and like I said....zero issues thus far.
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Old 02-20-2019, 11:08 PM
 
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I have 8,000 miles on my Model 3 and like I said....zero issues thus far.

I don't have anything against Tesla but get back to us when you hit 200K miles.



I know of three Tesla Model X's between my friends that were bought back as lemons. Maybe it is a bad luck cluster in my immediate friend zone but still.



I think all new models are going to be more prone to issues. The data could help guide your decision but that's all there is, guidance. If you want a Jeep, you still have to buy one and deal with it.
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Old 02-21-2019, 02:22 AM
 
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I have 8,000 miles on my Model 3 and like I said....zero issues thus far.
That is an anecdote, not a statistic.
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Old 02-21-2019, 11:46 AM
 
Location: Minneapolis, MN
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That is an anecdote, not a statistic.
That is correct. But what happens to me personally matters more than what happened to the early models built for customers in Northern California for example. Toyota historically has been considered to have excellent quality and yet by far the biggest lemon I’ve ever owned was a 2000 Corolla....this anecdote means more to me than statistics. Regardless of what they say, I will never own another Toyota as long as I live.

As I said earlier, it is too early to pass final judgment but thus far my Model 3 has been superb. We have another Model 3 in my immediate family and that vehicle has also been superb.

If you look through the repairs reported on Model 3 only like 1% of them related to drivetrain issues. The vast majority appear to be minor cosmetic/body imperfections which were repaired at minimal cost. This kind of thing isn’t bad considering it’s a brand new model. When all is said and done I’m confident it will be widely considered more reliable than most if not all internal combustion cars on the market.
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Old 02-21-2019, 04:40 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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I have 8,000 miles on my Model 3 and like I said....zero issues thus far.
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That is an anecdote, not a statistic.
This.
One person's experience doesn't mean anything.
Someone probably had a Yugo make it 8K miles without breaking.
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Old 02-21-2019, 06:07 PM
 
Location: Floribama
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This.
One person's experience doesn't mean anything.
Someone probably had a Yugo make it 8K miles without breaking.
LOL, yeah, even the biggest POS should be able to make it 8k miles without breaking down.
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