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Old 04-15-2019, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Detroit
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I was looking at reviews of the Chevy Cruze and it was being compared very favorably to Mazdas and Hondas. Not quite as good in some areas, surprisingly better in others. The Hyundai was also mentioned.
I saw a Cruze hatchback in a parking lot which made me curious. It was a good looking car. I sat in a 2014 Cruze and found it too low, I'm spoiled now with a 2014 Kia Soul which has a near perfect seat height. Which has been 100% trouble free and totally reliable for almost 5 years now. Kia and Hyundai have gotten better while I have been reading Toyota has slipped a bit and gotten dated.
I've owned 4 GM car's, SUV's. My 2012 Cruze was awful. Google the coolant issues they had. It was never fixed on the earlier Cruzes, they kept replacing the water pump, and other parts, but still had problems. Poorly engineered car in many aspects. It's in the same category as the failed Cobalt, Sunfire, Cavalier. Resale value is rock bottom. Honda blows them out of the water when it comes to compact/mid sized cars.

Kia/Hyundai still have not resolved vehicles catching on fire. The first recall didn't solve the problem, and there's still a lot of complaints. [url]https://www.consumerreports.org/car-recalls-defects/hyundai-kia-recall-sedans-suvs-for-fire-risk/[/url]
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Old 04-15-2019, 09:35 PM
 
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I've owned 4 GM car's, SUV's. My 2012 Cruze was awful. Google the coolant issues they had. It was never fixed on the earlier Cruzes, they kept replacing the water pump, and other parts, but still had problems. Poorly engineered car in many aspects. It's in the same category as the failed Cobalt, Sunfire, Cavalier. Resale value is rock bottom. Honda blows them out of the water when it comes to compact/mid sized cars.

Kia/Hyundai still have not resolved vehicles catching on fire. The first recall didn't solve the problem, and there's still a lot of complaints. https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...for-fire-risk/

I remember the Beretta, Escort, Tempo days. Even with better car offerings from Japan, Americans preferred to buy the American cars because it was a sense of pride. GM and Ford over complicated their cars in an attempt to match their Japanese counterparts, but it just made buyers more aware of the Asian offerings.

So the Fusion is as good as the Accord Ford says? Let's check out this Accord. The domestic's inferiority complex was their own undoing.
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Old 04-16-2019, 05:19 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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My 2012 Cruze was awful.
Mine works very well, but it's not the 1st year or the gas version.
IMO, the only comparable small car was the Jetta TDI and we all know how that worked out...
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Old 04-16-2019, 05:54 AM
 
Location: Floribama
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I remember the Beretta, Escort, Tempo days. Even with better car offerings from Japan, Americans preferred to buy the American cars because it was a sense of pride. GM and Ford over complicated their cars in an attempt to match their Japanese counterparts, but it just made buyers more aware of the Asian offerings.

So the Fusion is as good as the Accord Ford says? Let's check out this Accord. The domestic's inferiority complex was their own undoing.
The Beretta wasn’t that bad when it had the V6.
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Old 04-16-2019, 04:52 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Standard jealous person's "argument".



I'd buy an Impala while I still can. Nice cars, reasonably priced, top rated by CR.
I actually liked the Impala when I had one for a month in 2001. Good room, decent pickup, comfy, decent to drive.
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Old 04-18-2019, 06:21 AM
 
Location: Newburyport, MA
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That's old school thinking. I'm active everyday on Honda forums, I rarely see complaints of turbo failure. The 1-2 that did fail were modified cars. Besides, if they do fail they aren't that expensive to replace, I'm sure there's turbos laying around in salvage yards. They're easy to access(you can open up the hood and it's right in front of your eyes) and can be replaced with basic tools. V6's are dying for a reason, across all brands. They're not as efficient, and have more moving parts....more to go wrong. It's not being a fanboy, I4 turbos are replacing v6's on many brands of cars including luxury brands.
The Honda turbo-4s have a broad, perfectly flat torque "curve" at the peak, producing maximum torque from 1700-5500 RPMs (Civic), 1600-5000 RPMs (Accord 1.5), and 1500-4000 RPMs (Accord 2.0) - that is pretty amazing. They have good grunt off the line, feel very responsive in normal driving and you don't need to wind the p*** out of them to get good acceleration.

Besides these broad torque curves, smaller turbo 4s can provide better fuel economy and more power at the same time than a larger, normally aspirated 6-cyl of similar rating. Plus, lighter engines provide better weight balance and better driving dynamics in maneuvering and cornering. Similar arguments for a smaller turbo-6 vs a bigger normally aspirated V-8.
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Old 04-18-2019, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Grosse Ile Michigan
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Mine works very well, but it's not the 1st year or the gas version.
IMO, the only comparable small car was the Jetta TDI and we all know how that worked out...
SILTB has one that is three or four years old, he has put a ton of miles on it. It has been a great car so far. One daughter has one as well, but it is too new to really have any opinion of it. It is far nicer handling, driving, looking and comfort than the Toyota Corolla she rented until she bought the Cruze. No way to tell yet how good a car it will be for her. She has only had it a year or two. Every car is nice for a year or two.

Another daughter has a spark. It is five years old. It also does fine. Nothing has broken. It got beat up by hail and totaled, but she bought it back from the insurance company and has had no payments for a year or more. There is no reason she will not get another 5 years out of it and she loved it. Being so small it is kind of fun to drive (you can u turn on a 1 lane road), and especially to park. The only fault in it so far was when it was 110-120 outside, the AC could not keep up with the heat unless the car was parked in the shade, driving in the sun, it just kept getting hotter inside even with the AC at full blast. Otherwise it has been problem free.
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Old 04-19-2019, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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SILTB has one that is three or four years old, he has put a ton of miles on it. It has been a great car so far. One daughter has one as well, but it is too new to really have any opinion of it. It is far nicer handling, driving, looking and comfort than the Toyota Corolla she rented until she bought the Cruze.
This is why I judge cars based on what they do instead of something that might happen.
The diesel Gen 1 Cruze is FAR greater than the lesser Cruzes, so you can multiply that daily satisfaction.
When it comes to cars, "what if" is for the paranoid. If "what if" doesn't happen, you lose every single day you own it!
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:34 AM
 
Location: Bothell, Washington
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Honda Civic>Toyota Corolla
Toyota Camry>Honda Accord
For everything else, Subaru is going to have the better resale.
I'm not quite sure on this. Civic and Corolla are both great vehicles, but much of what I had read on predicted long term reliability ratings for newer Civics and Corollas had the Civic at an average to below average rating and Corolla at nearly a top score.

I liked the look and feel of the 2019 Civic a bit better than the 2019 Corolla, but I buy for long-term reliability- and given that the Corolla LE was $2K cheaper than the base Civic, with the info above about reliability I ended up going with the Corolla.
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Old 04-23-2019, 10:39 AM
 
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I'm not quite sure on this. Civic and Corolla are both great vehicles, but much of what I had read on predicted long term reliability ratings for newer Civics and Corollas had the Civic at an average to below average rating and Corolla at nearly a top score.

I liked the look and feel of the 2019 Civic a bit better than the 2019 Corolla, but I buy for long-term reliability- and given that the Corolla LE was $2K cheaper than the base Civic, with the info above about reliability I ended up going with the Corolla.

Lower reliability because of the turbo engine, cvt, digital dash cluster, touchscreen "infotainment" but the LX sedan with a manual has none of that bs. But now Honda is ****ing new Civic LX buyers with their stupid sensing crap so you'll enjoy 500 dollar or more windshield replacements like the special snowflakes.
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