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Old 05-08-2019, 12:18 AM
 
Location: Naples FL
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Is it any coincidence the new Ford Ranger looks like the Ram's full-size 1500 from the front?
I don’t think too many people outside of Fords design studio have even seen the new Ranger that’s coming. The Ranger we have now is a 2011 design.
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Old 05-08-2019, 12:21 AM
 
Location: Naples FL
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Seems after years to the contrary, they've finally started making things that actually look good. What ever were they thinking before that.....
Lincoln has been a bastion of disgraceful design ever since the MK VIII and the 90’ Town car and wasn’t too good prior to that in the 80-89 period either.
The new design language is arguably their best effort since the 60’s.
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Old 05-08-2019, 12:28 AM
 
Location: Naples FL
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Seems after years to the contrary, they've finally started making things that actually look good. What ever were they thinking before that.....
Lincoln has been a bastion of disgraceful exterior design ever since the MK VIII and the 90’ Town car and wasn’t too good prior to that in the 80-89 period either.
The new design language that the Aviator is a part of is arguably their best effort since the 60’s whilst being contemporary and not retro.
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Old 05-08-2019, 02:46 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Glad to hear these happy reviews of the V6... maybe I'll spend a bit more and buy a (basic) GC
instead of a Subaru.

A Hemi with a supercharger... yes, that is definitely an OMFG engine.

I'be been impressed with that 3.6 motor actually. The 6.2L hemi supercharged Hellcat motor with 707 HP is absurd and a laugh every day and I'm surprised how good the mileage is considering the power.

I don't know much about Subaru but wife owned a Honda Plot before she got this GC and much prefers the GC.
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Old 05-08-2019, 05:11 AM
 
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American manufacturers will continue to produce what sells in the US, which are pickups and CUVs/SUVs. Which doesn't bother me at all, as it's highly unlikely I'll ever own another sedan, regardless of where it's built.
THIS is what is often totally ignored whenever this discussion arises. After a ten year stretch of owning a mid-sized American sedan, as our family car, we bought a CRV. It's been nine years and 225K miles of driving CRVs now, and the wife and I agree. We have zero interest in ever owning another sedan. Superior visibility, seat height, bad weather performance, ease of loading much larger cargo in far larger amounts, reliability, and overall practicality, make it a better choice for us.

There are two groups in this discussion that prefer to whine, rather than view reality as it is. The first are the "auto enthusiasts" who write lovingly about how awesome things like coupes, sedans, manual transmissions, and compact trucks with little diesel engines are. The often implied concept is that, the doltish car buyers of North America are too uncool to see how cool all of these unmarketable vehicles are. As a result, the enthusiasts are denied all the cool stuff, since car builders don't see a big enough market to make it worth the risk of building low volume, unpopular cars.

The second group is the pearl clutchers, who fret over the demise of the sedan, since they are no longer being built by whatever big three builder their family has been loyal to, since wheels had wood spokes. Millions of sedans will be sold in North America this year, and most will be better than the stuff that the big three has been unsuccessfully building. IOW, there are many options out there in car world, as long as you can expand your horizon beyond a bowtie, oval or Fiat badge.
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Old 05-08-2019, 05:29 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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IOW, there are many options out there in car world, as long as you can expand your horizon beyond a bowtie
Every GM division still has at one or more cars with at least 4 doors, so this yammering on about them not building them any more is bogus.
What they've done is right-sized the number of sedan nameplates. They had WAY too much overlap.

Chevrolet is still a full line division, they make just about everything.
Sedan, hatchback, coupe, convertible, sports car, full and mid-sized truck... about the only things they don't have are a wagon and a minivan.

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Old 05-08-2019, 06:00 AM
 
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Every GM division still has at one or more cars with at least 4 doors, so this yammering on about them not building them any more is bogus.
What they've done is right-sized the number of sedan nameplates. They had WAY too much overlap.

Chevrolet is still a full line division, they make just about everything.
Sedan, hatchback, coupe, convertible, sports car, full and mid-sized truck... about the only things they don't have are a wagon and a minivan.
For GM, perhaps it's a matter of not totally alienating that demographic. Mostly older, never bought anything else, and never will. Like the buyers, this will slowly fade away. If it weren't for the massive sales of the brand in China, I doubt Buick would even exist, or that GM would still keep nursing a sedan along. I imagine you can find them at a local dealer in my area. Since none are visible from the street, they must be out back, between the dumpster and employee parking at the Chevy dealer, since they sure are not up front, with the stuff that sells. Kind of like finding a Taurus at the Ford dealer, if you spot one, it's a cop car waiting in for repair, not anything with a window sticker, parked in the front half of the lot. The other wild card is the UAW factor. How many lines are still pumping out sedans, since it's in a contract that is cheaper to honor that to negotiate out of? Seems the Lordstown Cruze plant had been limping along for a long time, with minimal output, for this very reason?
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Old 05-08-2019, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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How many lines are still pumping out sedans, since it's in a contract that is cheaper to honor that to negotiate out of?
None.
They're not getting rid of the Malibu and Cadillac's getting two new sedans.
The Regal, which is made in Europe by PSA (with union labor), is an unknown, but it will continue for awhile.
The CT6 will also continue, the only question is where it will be built.
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:09 AM
 
Location: Metro Detroit Michigan
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None.
They're not getting rid of the Malibu and Cadillac's getting two new sedans.
The Regal, which is made in Europe by PSA (with union labor), is an unknown, but it will continue for awhile.
The CT6 will also continue, the only question is where it will be built.
GM is extending the production of the CT6 at their Hamtramck assembly plant for another year.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...20/2950083002/
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Old 05-08-2019, 07:36 AM
 
Location: Podunk, IA
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GM is extending the production of the CT6 at their Hamtramck assembly plant for another year.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/bu...20/2950083002/
They'll be allocating it somewhere else after that. We just don't know where yet.
They need to build more Blackwing CT6's. They don't have any trouble selling those.
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