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Luckily they are strategically placed along most interstate highways so I can get anywhere I want to go. It hasn’t been an issue for me yet. Also the supercharger network continues to expand so it’s a temporary issue. Thanks for the concern though.
And hey, if you don’t like EVs and Teslas then to each his own. I like my Tesla. It has served me well. Enjoy paying for gas and performing regular oil changes
Paying for gas? Driving my gas powered car is still cheaper than an EV, and it isn't particularly close.
Performing regular oil changes? I'm at 23,000 miles and have done 2 oil changes, totaling about 45 minutes and 20 dollars.
It would take me more time than that to drive to the nearest Tesla service center... which... statistically speaking, I should be doing about once every 23,000 miles given their unusually disproportionate amount of time they spend "in the shop" compared to other cars.
But I was replying specifically to someone touting the Tesla supercharger network.
What if I'm not hungry when my car runs out of energy? What if I am hungry when my car is nowhere near a supercharger? What if I don't have a taste for any of the fast food right by the supercharger?\
Do you think these are rare problems? Do you really not see the obvious time and convenience issues that EV drivers have to make sacrifices on
And no, I doubt the average is 20-25 minutes if you are charging on a long distance trip. If that is the case, then you are only charging to like 50-60% capacity and you will be stopping about twice as often as I stop for gas. Take your pick. Stop the same number of times as me and spend 10x as long charging, or stop twice as often as me, and spend 5x as long charging every time.
Time to get 400 miles of range on my gas powered car: about 4 minutes
Time to get 400 miles of range on your Tesla: not less than 40 minutes. (actually, you won't be going 400 miles on one 'tank' of a Tesla anytime soon, but you get the point)
So why don't you tell me specifically what facts I posted were not "straight" ?
Again the thread is about the viability of EV for long distance and you have said nothing to disproves that. It may take longer to charge than get gas but much of that time is offset with other things done on a long trip and nowhere as long as most think. You are also conveniently choosing to ignore most of the key items of the info like cost of filling up and the fact that rarely takes any time to fill up since do it at home.
I guess you don't get it, the chargers are not just near fast food places - the chargers are at malls, casinos, sit down restaurants, etc - I can't think of one that fast food is your only choice. And chargers are about 60 miles or less apart in most areas so there is of little risk to having to wait to eat. Some places in CA, the chargers are at almost every exit that there are services. The car suggests where to charge and how long so will know when to plan other things but can certainly stop earlier and it will re-plan the trip.
Long distance, is less than 10% of most travel and the Gas stations supporting this reflect that fact. On the other hand, the Tesla chargers are mainly on the long distance routes and spaced as needed to travel a long distance - you don't need a charger at most exits so why do that unless there was a need. Competition drives having so many gas stations across the country, having a fraction of the number that currently exist would be all that is needed if they were not competing against each other. There wouldn't need to be 4 stations at an intersection or at each exit if they were not competing for business. Look at stations like Costco, many will try to fill up exclusively at them when they can to save money and there are fewer and farther apart than EV chargers.
Saying have 1% of the places to charge as fill up ignores the fact that most EVs charge at home for the great majority of the time, just as most gas stations are not located to be used for long distances travel. Saying that technically there are more places to charge an EV than gas is true but is somewhat besides the point. I do have a leaf that is driven daily by my son that charges exclusively on 120v but it's max range is less than 80 miles. Also Tesla's can use any charger but the cost is higher and the speed for the most part is slower.
As far as travelling 400 miles with 4 minutes of down time, I call BS. It takes more than 4 minutes to fill a tank on average, most cars can't do that distance and most people can't take over 6 hours in a car without stopping.
Paying for gas? Driving my gas powered car is still cheaper than an EV, and it isn't particularly close.
Performing regular oil changes? I'm at 23,000 miles and have done 2 oil changes, totaling about 45 minutes and 20 dollars.
It would take me more time than that to drive to the nearest Tesla service center... which... statistically speaking, I should be doing about once every 23,000 miles given their unusually disproportionate amount of time they spend "in the shop" compared to other cars.
Try facts instead of platitudes - the cost for filling an EV isn't even close to the cost for a gas car - my cost for filling at home is $6 if went from 0 to 100%, normal charge is about $3-4 and I live in the area with the most expensive electricity cost in the country. On the road the cost to fill is zero, for my gas vehicle it is $50 no matter where. If you are talking about initial cost, the Tesla Model 3 is about the same cost as an average car and lower than that after Federal rebate and the cost to drive and maintain a pure EV are significantly less with no required maintenance, fewer moving parts and things like brakes that last 4 times longer.
I am at almost 40,000 miles with no oil changes at zero dollars and zero time for maintenance other than tires which I replaced at about 35k miles for under $300. Where I live a single oil change is more like $30 plus disposal fee, 2 would be at least $70. Tesla will come to my house to service at no extra charge which they did when I had to get a camera replaced (Tesla's have 8 for full self driving) and a free major update to increase power (needed to verify the configuration). My car when new was capable of 0-60 of about 5.4 sec, now it is 4.2 - what other car gets that big an increase. - equivalent of going from a BMW 530 to a M5 for free and in the driveway. My car gets updated for free over the air about every 1-2 months with new features, including autopilot self driving updates which is very useful on long trips.
The self driving feature and cost of filling of free are why I use this for long distance and the fact that I feel better when drive long distance with a little longer breaks. I don't really see a downside other than a little longer breaks which I actually like.
Try facts instead of platitudes - the cost for filling an EV isn't even close to the cost for a gas car - my cost for filling at home is $6 if went from 0 to 100%, normal charge is about $3-4 and I live in the area with the most expensive electricity cost in the country. On the road the cost to fill is zero, for my gas vehicle it is $50 no matter where. If you are talking about initial cost, the Tesla Model 3 is about the same cost as an average car and lower than that after Federal rebate and the cost to drive and maintain a pure EV are significantly less with no required maintenance, fewer moving parts and things like brakes that last 4 times longer.
I am at almost 40,000 miles with no oil changes at zero dollars and zero time for maintenance other than tires which I replaced at about 35k miles for under $300. Where I live a single oil change is more like $30 plus disposal fee, 2 would be at least $70. Tesla will come to my house to service at no extra charge which they did when I had to get a camera replaced (Tesla's have 8 for full self driving) and a free major update to increase power (needed to verify the configuration). My car when new was capable of 0-60 of about 5.4 sec, now it is 4.2 - what other car gets that big an increase. - equivalent of going from a BMW 530 to a M5 for free and in the driveway. My car gets updated for free over the air about every 1-2 months with new features, including autopilot self driving updates which is very useful on long trips.
The self driving feature and cost of filling of free are why I use this for long distance and the fact that I feel better when drive long distance with a little longer breaks. I don't really see a downside other than a little longer breaks which I actually like.
Nobody does oil changes every 3k miles anymore. Oil changes are a negligible cost of vehicle ownership. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to Tesla’s insurance cost. https://www.autonews.com/article/201...sive-to-insure
The Model 3 is a very expensive Honda Civic. The majority of the Model 3’s cost is just essentially a larger gas tank. The rest is subsidized by everybody else and you pay no taxes to maintain the road you’re driving on. Just like running a car on vegetable oil, it’s only a good deal if not everybody does it.
Again, check your facts before posting. Quit being a troll with little knowledge or experience of driving an EV.
All Tesla chargers are right next to bathrooms and restaurants, that is how they locate them. All Tesla could travel about 4 hrs distance with 1 charge of probably about 15 minutes, many newer ones can do that easily without charging once, with a range of as much as 370 miles.
Tesla only charges if the car reaches 100% charge for at least 10 minutes and more than 50% of chargers are in use. You could take an hour or longer if wanted to without getting charged for it. I have never in over 3 years and 2 cars been charged for staying too long.
When I fly out, all EVs get free charging in the garage at the airport that I use, no need to go to a gas station or spend ANY time getting filled up.
The $28k is an estimate for a Town car with 300K miles with oil changes, brakes, tires, alignments, 100K services and other items. They apparently took the figures from a similar service that uses those vehicles.
Those "freebees" are primarily warranty parts, the battery and drive train has 8 year unlimited mile warranty. Most of the general maintenance is primarily tires, alignments and the like. The brakes last significantly longer for an EV because of regenerative braking so probably 1/2 the cost for an ICE car.
Next to bathrooms and restaurants eh? Mine is at the airport. https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&bou...ahsupercharger So you’re not wrong, but I’d have to drive off the interstate, go to the airport parking garage, get the parking ticket validated so I can not get charged, then drive back to the interstate. I won’t even use a gas station that’s not on the correct side of the road.
When I fly out and leave an EV at the airport, I return with less range than I started with because of parasitic losses slowly drain the battery and there is no free EV charging.
The dashboard is a warranty part at 300k miles? No wonder they’re going bankrupt,
Read the spreadsheet again. The general maintenance charge is on top of the cost of tires, alignments and the like.
Note that contrary to popular belief, the battery packs barely made it to 200k miles. Given that degradation alone is not a warranty item, this means the packs just stopped working completely.
Paying for gas? Driving my gas powered car is still cheaper than an EV, and it isn't particularly close.
Performing regular oil changes? I'm at 23,000 miles and have done 2 oil changes, totaling about 45 minutes and 20 dollars.
It would take me more time than that to drive to the nearest Tesla service center... which... statistically speaking, I should be doing about once every 23,000 miles given their unusually disproportionate amount of time they spend "in the shop" compared to other cars.
Why so defensive? I have a regular car too and I’m well aware of the trade-offs. Just last weekend we decided to take a road trip, 300 miles each way. We could have taken our gas car or the Tesla and opted for the Tesla. It’s a great touring vehicle and supercharging was fast and convenient. And if I had to do it again I’d again happily opt for the Tesla.
Another thing I’ll point out - my last three cars were all Chevys and I considered buying a Bolt. I ultimately decided to get a Model 3. Why? The supercharger network weighed heavily into my decision. As we currently stand I would not do long distance travel with any other EV. As far as I’m concerned the only reasonable EV long distance travel option at the moment is Tesla.
I have never seen a Tesla charging station or any other place to charge. I'm in the huge population Los Angeles area.
Takes a few seconds to Google, but I’ll point out a few Tesla Superchargers near you:
24061 Newhall Ranch Rd, Santa Clarita
899 Americana Way, Glendale
1 Rocket Rd, Hawthorne
811 South Fernando Blvd, Burbank
Nobody does oil changes every 3k miles anymore. Oil changes are a negligible cost of vehicle ownership. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to Tesla’s insurance cost. https://www.autonews.com/article/201...sive-to-insure
The Model 3 is a very expensive Honda Civic. The majority of the Model 3’s cost is just essentially a larger gas tank. The rest is subsidized by everybody else and you pay no taxes to maintain the road you’re driving on. Just like running a car on vegetable oil, it’s only a good deal if not everybody does it.
Sorry, I have 2 Tesla's and have yet to pay for anything except tires and have never been stranded or had a significant failure.
Who said anything about 3k oil changes the poster said he changed oil 2x in 23,000 miles and I said I had done 0 in 40k miles. Equivalent mileage on a gas vehicle would have had about 5 or 6 at a cost of about $200.
My Tesla costs about the same to insure as my gas sedan that is a year older even though it was almost double the gas cars price. Many report Insurance going down with a Tesla because they are safer.
The Model 3 is nowhere close to a civic or else you have your head up your ass. That is like saying a Rolls Royce is a very expensive civic.
You get charged a $1 a minute as soon as you’re charged up. It’s a parking meter in the middle of nowhere.
Look again, that is not correct and clearly beside the point, I don't know anyone who has incurred idle fees.
BTW Degradation is a warranty item.
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