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Unread 05-11-2008, 09:06 AM
 
Location: occupied east coast
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No doubt, these pooor people are simply the victims of "Predatory Car Salesmen", in serious need of a "Bail Out". Otherwise it's NOT FAIR !!!

Where, oh where is the Government to help these poor people.

Seriously though, If the dealers can not sell off the used vehicles why don't they DROP THE PRICE.

Sell it to me cheap enough, I'll buy.
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Unread 05-11-2008, 09:21 AM
 
Location: Southwest Pa
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I love a good laugh.....the dealer selling the suv for $200 less than suggested Kelley retail value. How generous, that's almost 1.5% knocked off the top. How can they survive offering such bargains?
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Unread 05-11-2008, 09:41 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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HEY HAW!
If you really want to see a MORON, I would suggest you look in the mirror.
You must be referring to the Prius driver.
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Unread 05-11-2008, 09:44 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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I happen to own an SUV; it is a 10 MPG 1990 Chevy Suburban that I paid $1,500 cash for a year ago........and, my round trip commute is about 15 miles a day.

So for me at least: per mile driven------my Beast is actually quite economical

No car payments+8,000 miles a year driving pays for a hell of a lot of gas
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Unread 05-11-2008, 01:33 PM
 
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I happen to own an SUV; it is a 10 MPG 1990 Chevy Suburban that I paid $1,500 cash for a year ago........and, my round trip commute is about 15 miles a day.

So for me at least: per mile driven------my Beast is actually quite economical

No car payments+8,000 miles a year driving pays for a hell of a lot of gas
You are absolutely correct. There was actually an article today in the Yahoo news section that had to do with people hanging onto their SUV , rather than turning it into a dealer and then turn around and buy a 30-40mpg car. It would'nt save anything and in actual fact be more expensive , because even if you owned an SUV outright , you won't get anything for it and you'll still have to finance at least $20,000 for the new car and make those payments. Total those 12 payments a year up and there is no real savings. Just keep the SUV.

You are actually fortunate to have only a 15 mile commute. I feel sorry for those that made the city exodus to the country and opted for the commute. Years ago it was do-able but now it's got to really hurt. Still , the article said that everyone needs to really calculate the cost for their own personal circumstances and then make a rational well thought out decision. Certainly a Car Salesman is not going to really look for your best interests. So do the math a head of time.
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Unread 05-12-2008, 08:06 AM
 
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Gas prices be damned, I would still rather be the guy riding solo in my Quad Cab (our "family car" I might add) than the moron (with a death wish) in the Prius who pulled out in front of me on the highway yesterday morning! If I didn't do a pretty good evasive manuever, my front end would have knocked the cell phone right out of his hand! At least in my Ram, if we hit, I'd be the one still around to talk about it!

Let me add... No, I wasn't speeding. I was driving the limit on a 55mph road when this person rolled a stop sign and turned in front of me.
Barnstarr, this quote doesn't make Stripes17 a moron. Allow me to elaborate.

Back in the summer of 2006, when gas was a comparatively cheap $3.00/gallon, I was happily driving along in my ravenous 1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. That beast had a thundering 472ci engine, and it gulped gas at a rate of 10-15 mpg on premium (depending upon where and how I was driving).

Bear in mind, I did own a mid-sized, more gas-thrifty car at the time. I used it for most of my driving... but this night I happened to be in my Cadillac. I was cruising down the road toward my house one Saturday night when a drunk driver pulled out of a banquet hall parking lot in front of me. I didn't have enough room to stop nor swerve, so I T-boned her car right in the driver's side doors. It was a pretty nasty wreck... I couldn't tell you how fast I was going at the exact moment of impact... one person in the other car had to be helicoptered to the hospital with brain injuries, and another person in the other car suffered a broken shoulder. Ironically, the drunk driver wasn't seriously injured. Anyway, I walked away from that wreck feeling entirely fine, and my only injury showed itself the next day in the form of a mildly sore neck which went away in three days. My Cadillac was still running and driving after that wreck... the other car, a 2004 Grand Am, was totally demolished.

The cop who responded to the accident said he believed I'd have earned myself a trip to the ER from that wreck had I been driving my small car. So, GAS PRICES BE DAMNED, my huge car kept me out of the hospital.

I hate high gas prices too. However, I'm not buying a small car until everyone else does... and I know I'm not the only person who feels that way. As long as people keep driving their Suburbans and their Quad-Cab pickup trucks, and as long as there are maniac drivers out there in all kinds of vehicles, I don't want to be the guy in the puny little Toyota Yaris or Chevrolet Aveo. It always comes down to this... at what price are you willing to sell your safety?

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Unread 05-12-2008, 08:20 AM
 
Location: America
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Barnstarr, this quote doesn't make Stripes17 a moron. Allow me to elaborate.

Back in the summer of 2006, when gas was a comparatively cheap $3.00/gallon, I was happily driving along in my ravenous 1972 Cadillac Sedan DeVille. That beast had a thundering 472ci engine, and it gulped gas at a rate of 10-15 mpg on premium (depending upon where and how I was driving).

Bear in mind, I did own a mid-sized, more gas-thrifty car at the time. I used it for most of my driving... but this night I happened to be in my Cadillac. I was cruising down the road toward my house one Saturday night when a drunk driver pulled out of a banquet hall parking lot in front of me. I didn't have enough room to stop nor swerve, so I T-boned her car right in the driver's side doors. It was a pretty nasty wreck... I couldn't tell you how fast I was going at the exact moment of impact... one person in the other car had to be helicoptered to the hospital with brain injuries, and another person in the other car suffered a broken shoulder. Ironically, the drunk driver wasn't seriously injured. Anyway, I walked away from that wreck feeling entirely fine, and my only injury showed itself the next day in the form of a mildly sore neck which went away in three days. My Cadillac was still running and driving after that wreck... the other car, a 2004 Grand Am, was totally demolished.

The cop who responded to the accident said he believed I'd have earned myself a trip to the ER from that wreck had I been driving my small car. So, GAS PRICES BE DAMNED, my huge car kept me out of the hospital.

I hate high gas prices too. However, I'm not buying a small car until everyone else does...
and I know I'm not the only person who feels that way. As long as people keep driving their Suburbans and their Quad-Cab pickup trucks, and as long as there are maniac drivers out there in all kinds of vehicles, I don't want to be the guy in the puny little Toyota Yaris or Chevrolet Aveo. It always comes down to this... at what price are you willing to sell your safety?
I loled, I don't agree with you but I do see your point 100%.
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Unread 05-12-2008, 08:39 AM
 
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‘Nobody is buying used SUVs,' says one; drivers turning to smaller cars

MIAMI - For used car dealer Ivan Hoyos, accepting a sport utility vehicle as a trade-in is no longer good business.

Dealers see glut of gas-guzzling SUVs - Autos - MSNBC.com
I have a small SUV sitting in my driveway right now having been replaced by a new daily driver that gets much better fuel mileage. I predicted what this article highlighted weeks ago and didn't even try to trade it in or to sell it. I believe I'll just donate it as the tax break will most likely be a lot larger than the amount in cash anyone would be willing to pay for it. At today's fuel prices, no one in their right mind is going to buy an SUV which gets only about 12-15 mpg. That doesn't mean there aren't exceptions, I just think the vast majority of people "out there" are no longer going to consider such a vehicle for a daily driver while most business owners will want something larger if for commercial/hauling purposes.
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Unread 05-12-2008, 08:43 AM
 
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I loled, I don't agree with you but I do see your point 100%.
The bigger is better mentality in America has to go. I mean it is stupid to say you are safer in a huge truck then a little car. They can be flipped over easily and its easier to loose control of them.
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Unread 05-12-2008, 03:44 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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The bigger is better mentality in America has to go. I mean it is stupid to say you are safer in a huge truck then a little car. They can be flipped over easily and its easier to loose control of them.
I am no fan of huge vehicles either.

That stated: there are a lot of fullsized SUV's extant and it will take a few years for most of them to be retired/junked.

Till then; for many people, a large SUV is a very practical choice for inespensive transportation---------predicated upon driving relatively few miles per year (like myself).
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