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It would be nice to have all the numbers. But what we (I) have is a little more than anecdotes. So we are a group of 9 original P85D 03/2015 owners, and at this point 4 of us have had the battery changed under warranty. And I personally (not hear say or anecdotes) know of several other 85 owners who had their battery changed under warranty.
I'm not saying that the overall number is even close to 50% like my little sample group, but I'm saying it must be a significant number.
If I understand the topic correctly, if 1 out of the thousands battery cells in a Tesla fails, you can't just exchange it like in a flashlight. You have to change the whole battery. The price for an out-of-warranty Tesla S battery is $22,000.
Yes, that does seem to be the implication - 82% stick with EVs after making the big switch. I am actually surprised that it's as high as that, because I don't think they're the best choice today for fully 82% of people. But presumably many of those who wouldn't be a good fit - who would have it as their sole vehicle, who can't set up Level 2 charging at home, who don't have a good network of DC-fast chargers in their region, etc, figure that out on their own without doing the experiment of actually buying one.
Yes, that does seem to be the implication - 82% stick with EVs after making the big switch. I am actually surprised that it's as high as that, because I don't think they're the best choice today for fully 82% of people.
By itself the number 18% doesn't mean anything. I would want to know how many of those people bought these rmodels with relatively undersized batteries.
Mini Cooper SE Hardtop 2 door 33 kWh
Hyundai IONIQ Electric 38 kWh
Nissan LEAF S 40 kWh
BMW i3 42 kWh
If I was restricted to those short ranges and didn't have a convenient setup for recharing, I might switch also until there are better options.
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Didn’t California just lose a seat in Congress for the first time since the 1850’s? Even Elon Musk moved to Texas. It may not be imminently collapsing but it’s fair to say it’s not doing all that great either.
California is not losing population. It is simply not gaining more than average measured on a percent basis.
Only three states lost population
West Virginia -59,278
Illinois -18,124
Mississippi -6,018
By itself the number 18% doesn't mean anything. I would want to know how many of those people bought these rmodels with relatively undersized batteries.
Mini Cooper SE Hardtop 2 door 33 kWh
Hyundai IONIQ Electric 38 kWh
Nissan LEAF S 40 kWh
BMW i3 42 kWh
If I was restricted to those short ranges and didn't have a convenient setup for recharing, I might switch also until there are better options.
California is not losing population. It is simply not gaining more than average measured on a percent basis.
Only three states lost population
West Virginia -59,278
Illinois -18,124
Mississippi -6,018
Between 2010 and 2019, more people moved from California to other states than those who moved to the Golden State, with a net loss of about 900,000 during the decade. But the previous decade saw an even greater loss to out-migration: About 1.5 million residents left California from 2000-2009.
Between 2010 and 2019, more people moved from California to other states than those who moved to the Golden State, with a net loss of about 900,000 during the decade. But the previous decade saw an even greater loss to out-migration: About 1.5 million residents left California from 2000-2009.
Domestic migration has been outgoing from California for some time, but international migration into CA is ongoing. California increased by 6.1% in the last decade, but the nation increased by 7.4%. The two biggest winners by percentage were Idaho (17.4%) and Texas (15.9%).
So anyway, electric vehicles have a ways to go.
Yesterday, it took me 5 minutes to fill my car up with gas, and the miles to empty indicator said I could go over 500 miles on that tank. Twice as far as the average electric and it took a fraction of the time to get there.
I'm not anti-electric, I'm open to all possibilities, but for roadtrippers, electric vehicles are not particularly appealing especially those of us who like to wander off the beaten path a bit more.
Parking on the street, garages beholden to condo associations, there's just a lot hurdles to overcome.
I might would buy one for a second vehicle around town when used ones go for less than 10k, but not much else right now.
With federal and state incentives you might get this micro 4 door car for less than $10K.
Mile Range 116
Seating 4 Adults (662 lbs total weight . passengers & cargo)
Front-Wheel Drive (FWD)
MPGe - City 213
Battery Type 17.69 kWh Lithium
Charging Time (240V/16A) 7 Hours
Length 136.22” x Width 57.87” x Height 63.58”
Curb Weight 2,270.76 lbs | GVWR 2,932 lbs
Anti-Lock Braking System (ABS)
Display 9” Center Touchscreen
One thing I like about the electric revolution is all these upstarts getting into the game.
Having grown up in the era when unwieldy GM was the biggest company on earth and basically told us what we wanted, it's neat to see the car industry get back to innovation.
My better half would like the Fiat/Mini look of the Kandi, and I'd be fine with driving it.
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