SUV drivers should be subject to National Speed Limit! (sell, biggest, Chrysler)

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by burdell

Until that time I can only view the 'Volvo safety superiority' as urban myth and and a tribute to the power of advertising.

That's is, of course, your choice.

BTW, have you ever owned a Volvo? A newer one in particular - say since, oh - 1998?

[k350]

Originally Posted by 58robbo

you'd still be a threat to smaller cars therefore should drive slower. besides the whole point of hybrid suv's is flawed! this is what many don't seem to get!

How is an suv a threat to a smaller car?

And what is flawed about a hybrid suv? My company's highland lybrid gets great mpg, what is wrong with that? Oh yes, the point is that this suv argument is more a social class argument than an envirmontental and safety one.

Suv's are more associated with higher social classes there for they are opened to attack.

It has nothing to do with safety or the environment.

[sterlinggirl]

Suv's are more associated with higher social classes there for they are opened to attack.

***** envy. That explains it.....

Methinks Robbo doth protest too much.

[k350]

I just think it is a class attack because of a few things...

Even with the bringing out higher mpg suv's, there are many that then resort to the safety argument. Then when confronted with providing any evidence or facts to support their argument, they can not find any and completly ignore cars that do weigh as much or even more than many suvs.

Plus the general attitude of many just show it is not an environmental or safety issue but just a class issue.

I cited my example of me vs my boss who uses way more fuel to go to work than I do, but yet none of the anti-suv crowd can seem to come up with something to say against it, they just ignore it and continue with their blind assault on suv drivers.

If I showed an suv that got 40mpg and weighed 2000lbs, many would still be against it for some reason or another just because it is an suv.

Plus in another thread I gave my example of how my explorer gets 21 on the highway and my grandma's toyota gets 26mpg, a whopping 5mpg difference and her car cost a heck of a lot more than mine.

Its one example that I imagine many have similiar ones of that the anti-suv crowd can't seem to debate against.

[revelated]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Here is a fact: There have been, are, and always will be, vehicles stronger and heavier than another vehicle.

There will always be crashes where one person dies and the other does not.

There is NO WAY to avoid this.

We have the right - the freedom - to choose to drive whatever I want to. That is one of the things that makes this country great. If I choose to drive a big, heavy SUV - and you choose to drive a light little car - that is our choice.

And, this type of choice is not, and should not, ever change

Did you even read what some of us are telling you?

If you want to drive SUV, fine. Drive SUV. Nobody's telling you not to.

I don't speak for others, but me...all I'm saying is this.

• Don't even bother trying to claim that SUVs are safer than regular cars. It's false and you know it. Rollovers didn't even become a topic worth discussing until SUVs became big, particularly in California.
• Don't even bother denying that if you have no kids and do not work in construction or any other job that requires parcel transport, you got the SUV for status/fashion/'cool points'. There's no other logical reason to have an SUV if not for (a) transport of goods or (b) transport of children/family. If you're single and have no kids, it's a status symbol, period.

I've got no issue with SUV owners who admit that their vehicles are no safer and serve as little more than cool tools. I know quite a few people - my brother being one - who openly admits buying an SUV because he wants to look good with his 24" rims. As I mentioned earlier, my lady friend wants one - and likely would have bought one had I not opened her eyes to the illogic of buying one for the hell of it.

[Greatday]

Let's see: I don't have 24 inch wheels (that is stupid to begin with).

My Volvo has anti roll devices - so, you don't see them roll over much - I did see a SmartCar BLOWN off the road though recently - it was laying on its top

I don't have kids - got some grandkids though. Don't work in Construction. Do haul a Boat around - and an RV. I do like the 4WD during the winter and sometimes during the summer - those muddy roads and all.

Then again - I like driving our SUV's - comfort - visibility - and yes, safety.

[revelated]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Do haul a Boat around - and an RV.

This is the only valid argument. Of course, a regular truck could do the same thing, probably better. I'd take a F150 or a Titan for towing over any SUV short of the regular Hummer.

But that's towing. Young, single females with no kids are likely not towing anything. They're the real target of my ire, not the males towing the boat out to the lake.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by revelated

This is the only valid argument. Of course, a regular truck could do the same thing, probably better. I'd take a F150 or a Titan for towing over any SUV short of the regular Hummer.

Truck won't haul 7 people. And my vehicle will tow right around 8500 lbs. And no - the truck won't do any better. Then, the 4WD for going through the muck -

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by revelated

But that's towing. Young, single females with no kids are likely not towing anything. They're the real target of my ire, not the males towing the boat out to the lake.

Very sexist post above - I see MANY women towing boats and RV's

Where have you been?

[revelated]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Very sexist post above - I see MANY women towing boats and RV's

Where have you been?

Let's try this again.

Young, single women are likely not towing anything. Read the bold words; it means that more often than not, there's no towing. Consider also that I'm in a different state than you are, and stop assuming that your experience is common to all states.

Originally Posted by Greatday

Truck won't haul 7 people. And my vehicle will tow right around 8500 lbs. And no - the truck won't do any better. Then, the 4WD for going through the muck -

Geez, would you stop throwing out half-witted comments? Did you even bother researching before you posted?

Nissan Village | 2008 Nissan Titan Specifications, Reviews, Information

Originally Posted by nissanvillage.com

Titan’s standard 5-speed automatic transmission was designed especially for heavy-duty truck use, with emphasis on serious towing. Each component was created for full-size truck application, and a wide gear ratio was used to create a high performance control system producing top-class acceleration, power and shift quality. For 4WD models, Titan adapts an advanced shift-on-the-fly 4-wheel drive system with 2WD/4HI/4LO modes with electronic control part-time transfer case.

Titan features a maximum towing capacity of 9,500 pounds for King Cab and 9,400 pounds for Crew Cab (when properly equipped) – as much as some 3/4-ton pickups.

IN other words, more than your SUV. As I said, when it comes to towing, the Titan would be the preference.