SUV drivers should be subject to National Speed Limit! (joint, green light, idle)

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by revelated

Let's try this again.

Young, single women are likely not towing anything. Read the bold words; it means that more often than not, there's no towing. Consider also that I'm in a different state than you are, and stop assuming that your experience is common to all states.

Hey - around here - the women are towing lots of stuff

Then, there is the situation where the family has two cars - he takes the little one to work - she uses the SUV. THEY use it on the weekends. According to you - inasmuch as you only see the woman driving it - she does not need it (your words).

Once again - you make very sexist assumptions -

[revelated]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Hey - around here - the women are towing lots of stuff

Then, there is the situation where the family has two cars - he takes the little one to work - she uses the SUV. THEY use it on the weekends. According to you - inasmuch as you only see the woman driving it - she does not need it (your words).

Once again - you make very sexist assumptions -

Your analogy encourages impracticality. It assumes that one or the other bought the SUV as a status symbol - the genesis of my argument.

IN a situation where it's just the two of them, why would the thought of an SUV even come up? One wants one - why? Status. Fashion. "Coolness". That's it. And that's a flawed mentality. You can sit here and claim that people buy these things for safety, but the reality is, safety is not on these people's minds when they go to that dealer; looking cool and riding above the pleebs is.

Why do you think SUV resell rates are rock bottom? If they're so much safer than regular cars do you think the Chrysler 300 (another heavy yet quite beautiful car) would still be nearly $40 grand? If they're so much safer why would GM close down its SUV plants?

They're not. And clearly, there is no longer a desire to have them, safe or no, because people are getting rid of them in droves.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by revelated

IN a situation where it's just the two of them, why would the thought of an SUV even come up?

Because they use the SUV extensively for boating etc on the weekends

Originally Posted by revelated

Why do you think SUV resell rates are rock bottom?

Around here - sales are actually quite brisk in SUV's. I have seen - and its been reported, the sales of SUV's - the sightings of those temporary plates (new car) are everywhere. People here are taking advantage of the price drops.

And now - we this big price drop in gas prices around my area - who knows - sales may even get better! We have also seen reports that boat and rv sales are going up too !!!

[sterlinggirl]

Originally Posted by revelated

• Don't even bother trying to claim that SUVs are safer than regular cars. It's false and you know it. Rollovers didn't even become a topic worth discussing until SUVs became big, particularly in California.

You're wrong on that point. The tiny Suzuki Samurai was the SUV infamous for rolling, and compact cars still roll more often than SUVs. The Hummer is the biggest of the big, and its almost impossible to roll.

[ArizonaBear]

Originally Posted by Mathguy

Yep, consumption based tax seems pretty fair to me. - rep point for you.
This plan also ignores the guy that gets 20mpg but lives 4miles from work but it's ok to have an 80mile one-way commute if you get 27mpg?

THANK YOU:

My 12 MPG Suburban is driven maybe 100 miles a week (10 mile roundtrip to/from work) and it is paid for.

I see no reason to go on the hook for a 4-5 year note on a Prius or some other impractical car.

[Boomerang]

Originally Posted by 58robbo

it is if it discourages people from driving smaller cars!

I assume this comment is in response to my statement that heavier cars don't necessarily equal poor MPG. Hard to tell from your editing.

People are not afraid to drive subcompacts because of 4-door sedans.
People are afraid to drive small cars because of idiots driving larger vehicles as a fashion statement when they're frankly incapable of operating a bicycle, much less a motor vehicle. It's one thing for an airhead soccer mom or a self-absorbed corporate suit to drive stupidly or aggressively in a Kia, quite another thing for them to driving the same way in an Expedition or Escalade. Quite aside from the SUV phenomenon, there's a whole lotta people driving trucks irresponsibly and dangerously as well. The problem is the idiot driver, not the vehicle.

I've owned and driven some of the smallest cars made. They're fine (and fun) in their place. At this point in time a tiny car doesn't fit my needs so I drive a bigger one, responsibly, as I drive all my vehicles.

[ViewFromThePeak]

Originally Posted by Greatday

My Volvo has anti roll devices

PT Barnum once said "there's a sucker born every minute"

Physics make SUVs easier to roll over and there's no device on Earth that can counteract it, but manufacturers can certainly continue to sucker people into thinking they're safer from rollovers.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by ViewFromThePeak

PT Barnum once said "there's a sucker born every minute"

Physics make SUVs easier to roll over and there's no device on Earth that can counteract it, but manufacturers can certainly continue to sucker people into thinking they're safer from rollovers.

Not true - anti roll technology switches momentum to certain wheels to help reduce the chance of a rollover

Remember - not all SUV's are made the same -

[revelated]

Originally Posted by Boomerang

I assume this comment is in response to my statement that heavier cars don't necessarily equal poor MPG. Hard to tell from your editing.

People are not afraid to drive subcompacts because of 4-door sedans.
People are afraid to drive small cars because of idiots driving larger vehicles as a fashion statement when they're frankly incapable of operating a bicycle, much less a motor vehicle. It's one thing for an airhead soccer mom or a self-absorbed corporate suit to drive stupidly or aggressively in a Kia, quite another thing for them to driving the same way in an Expedition or Escalade. Quite aside from the SUV phenomenon, there's a whole lotta people driving trucks irresponsibly and dangerously as well. The problem is the idiot driver, not the vehicle.

I've owned and driven some of the smallest cars made. They're fine (and fun) in their place. At this point in time a tiny car doesn't fit my needs so I drive a bigger one, responsibly, as I drive all my vehicles.

Exactly.

[GeminiGal]

... another I Hate SUV's thread. How original.