SUV drivers should be subject to National Speed Limit! (tax, difference, money)

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Let me give you an example: A head on collision between a Chevrolet Suburban and a SmartCar.

Which driver is more likely to have few injuries in your opinion?

that is the whole point of this thread. people are discouraged from driving small cars because of the presence of these speeding bohemoths which infect our roads.

all i am saying is that if congress wants to take my right away to gamble on the net, smoke a joint, make a punt on oil futures (to address to high price of gas),
then they must take away the rights of suv drivers who also contribute to the high price of gas!

that's only fair.

i would love to live in a country where the government stays totally out of my life. the reality is that if they remove some of my freedoms to do what i want (because it contributes to the high price of gas) then they must also remove the rights of others (because they contribute to the high price of gas)

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by Greatday

We have the right - the freedom - to choose to drive whatever I want to. That is one of the things that makes this country great. If I choose to drive a big, heavy SUV - and you choose to drive a light little car - that is our choice.

And, this type of choice is not, and should not, ever change

well that is debatable! imo bill clinton took away my right to drive what i want by signing for tax credits on these bohemoths.
firstly because i get penalised for driving a smaller car, tax wise. secondly the sheer size of these cars prevents me from driving what i would like to drive because of the fear of being smacked by one of these monsters.
thirdly, the excess demand they place on oil supplies have led to increased gas prices.
fourth, their excessive contribution to our trade deficit have helped with the devaluation of the dollar!
fifth, the knee jerk reaction to supply our addiction with biofuels has ramped up the price of food

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by GeminiGal

... another I Hate SUV's thread. How original.

nah it's more like a .....
"we're being held ransom because of our excessive reliance on middle eastern oil" thread, not an "i hate suv" thread

how do we address that?
1)weigh down on oil speculators (makes no sense)
2)attack iran (you decide if that one makes sense)
3)punish the symbol of our excess.

i'm all for zero regulation. but if they're going to address one section of people with regulation, then they must address all of us

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by JViello

X5? Slk?

Let me guess...your one of the wealthy libs that feels everyone should sacrifice...well, except them of course. That would be uncivilized.

Conservation is good, yes but your idea at it's core is anti-american. There are other ways do to this without government control.

Are you even a US citizen?

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No__

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born in rhodesia to an american mother & portuguese father. fled to south africa as a small boy before tshtf! lived there for 20years until tshtf there. moved to tampa to my mother and met wife. moved to middle east for 2 years and have now been in london since. heading back next year to the states because of my fandamily and my wife's (it's difficult to bring up a child without them) i hold 2 passports one which is american.

i agree that my proposal is anti-american. part of the point of this thread is to point out how ambiguous that concept has become. as i stated when opening this thread, i am not a fan of rulz and regs. the point is that everyday when i open the paper some moron is proposing some form of control here, regulation there, bailout here, ban there.

there are many things i like and dislike about every place i have ever lived. one of the things i dislike about the states is size of the vehicles people drive, the speed which they drive them, the fact that the most technologically advanced country on the planet produce the most engineeringly barbaric automobiles and the fact that we didn't learn the last time we were held ransom by oil producers. i hate watching our president beg some overweight saudi monarch to pump more oil to feed our addiction. i hate the fact that at some point beautiful parts of our country will be commandeered for biofuel crops.

so while tptb are making all sorts of proposals to address the oil price, some of which affect me negatively, i have a proposal for them to do the same thing to affect me positively ie i can go and buy my g-wiz, and drive it knowing that the monsters have been neutered!

i will follow soon with the list of things i love about the states (florida in particular because everyone on these posts seems to have a problem with florida)). in the meantime. i work everyday and earn foreign currency which at some point will make its way to my us bank account. i pay us tax and not a day goes by when i don't have to defend our way of life to some ignorant folk on this side of the pond or anywhere where i have lived. so before you criticise, what have you done that brings money into the country? and what are you doing to make sure less of it leaves?

have i answered some of your questions? please don't get me started on al "airmiles" gore!

[Bydand]

You keep bringing up "tax credits" for people who drive large vehicles. WTF are you talking about. I have driven both large and small vehicles for YEARS and there have been no changes to my taxes based on the vehicle I drive.

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by Bydand

You keep bringing up "tax credits" for people who drive large vehicles. WTF are you talking about. I have driven both large and small vehicles for YEARS and there have been no changes to my taxes based on the vehicle I drive.

CONs of New SUV Tax Break - Reasons SUV Loophole is Bad

excuse me if my wording isn't correct but there you go. i'm not going to trawl the web the whole day to look for the most relevant article. this one should suffice.

[thedtbmister]

excuse me? many of these people driving smaller cars such as corollas are a danger on the road, not the suv drivers. for example I drive a pickup truck and recently I was at a stoplight waiting for the light to change. when the light turned green and it was my turn to go a woman on the right fork in the road driving a corolla decided to make a right hand turn on my green light and almost caused an accident. I was going slowly and thus was able to adjust my driving accordingly to accomodate this jerk in the corolla. however you automatically assume that suvs are always the problem. however its not always.

[58robbo]

Originally Posted by thedtbmister

excuse me? many of these people driving smaller cars such as corollas are a danger on the road, not the suv drivers. for example I drive a pickup truck and recently I was at a stoplight waiting for the light to change. when the light turned green and it was my turn to go a woman on the right fork in the road driving a corolla decided to make a right hand turn on my green light and almost caused an accident. I was going slowly and thus was able to adjust my driving accordingly to accomodate this jerk in the corolla. however you automatically assume that suvs are always the problem. however its not always.

another one missing the point. i am well aware that we have different drivers with different abilities. the point is that a corrolla smashing into you with its 2000lb weight is less dangerous than your excursion plowing into you with its 6000lbs. i'm just saying that if you are going to try and encourage small car ownership as a way to offset oil demand, then you may as well try and address one of the reasons why some people drive big cars. one of those reasons is fear of other big cars for some people

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by 58robbo

there are many things i like and dislike about every place i have ever lived. one of the things i dislike about the states is size of the vehicles people drive, the speed which they drive them, the fact that the most technologically advanced country on the planet produce the most engineeringly barbaric automobiles and the fact that we didn't learn the last time we were held ransom by oil producers.

First, SUV's are not the problem with use of oil as you try to suggest

Then, roads in the US are DESIGNED for higher speeds than European roads are (although the Autobahn is the exception)

Then, "barbaric" automobiles is quite an asinine statement IMO - If you are so concerned about the weight of SUV's, and the size of SUV's, and their alleged poor gas mileage, why not then also criticize the larger AUTOMOBILES in the United States that get FAR WORSE GAS MILEAGE than the SUV's - many of which ARE EUROPEAN DESIGNED?

We drive more in the US than you do in Europe. Personally, we drive around 40,000 miles a year. I want comfort, I want luxury, I want stability of ride - I don't want some **** ant that you have to use a shoe horn to get in and out of - and spend an hour trying to straighten your back once you get to where you are going!

So, before you come back to the US - you might stop and think a little: We are a different culture than Europe. We don't want to be like Europe. We are bigger than Europe. We drive more than Europe. We appreciate our "creature comforts" more than you do in Europe.

[S6Sputnik]

Originally Posted by thedtbmister

excuse me? many of these people driving smaller cars such as corollas are a danger on the road, not the suv drivers. for example I drive a pickup truck and recently I was at a stoplight waiting for the light to change. when the light turned green and it was my turn to go a woman on the right fork in the road driving a corolla decided to make a right hand turn on my green light and almost caused an accident. I was going slowly and thus was able to adjust my driving accordingly to accomodate this jerk in the corolla. however you automatically assume that suvs are always the problem. however its not always.

I agree I even had a guy in a PRIEOUS in the left lane go <55mph on the interstate! I nearly ran into him!!!
Limit is 70mph