Welcome to City-Data.com Forum!
U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 10-17-2008, 12:43 PM
 
8,943 posts, read 11,782,627 times
Reputation: 10871

Advertisements

The starter broke in a Target parking lot about 20 minutes from home. You can't see it in picture, but it broke apart from engine. I glued it back with gorilla glue and jammed a Master lock between the starter and frame to keep it from moving. Luckily I was able to start it and drove home. I want to install a new starter by myself, but I have never done it before.

Is is very complicated?
Is there any adjustment, or special tool needed for the job?
Is Autozone the best place to buy a starter?
Also, is there any adhesive that's better than Gorilla glue for engine use?

The car is a 1994 Honda Accord EX

Thanks.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/davidtr1/IMG_1203.jpg (broken link)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 10-17-2008, 01:03 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
17,216 posts, read 57,072,247 times
Reputation: 18579
Installing the new starter is probably easier than what you did - McGuyver award to you, well done!

I can't see what broke - if the starter's frame broke, basically you just need to disconnect your battery (to avoid the chance of a short while working on/around the starter), take the positive cable off the starter, remove the starter and any parts of the broken frame (looks like the same starter as my Toyota) probably the frame is held to the trans housing by 2 bolts. I'm guessing one or both were loose, this put a strain on the remaining "ear" that held the starter on.

If not, maybe the mounting transmission housing broke - in that case, the repair may be more difficult - probably would involve some aluminum welding to put the broken part back.

The Gorilla Glue did right by you - but typically this sort of thing is best handled with an epoxy like J-B Weld.

It's *possible* that you could J-B Weld the chunk of transmission housing back into place - may or may not work.

If this car is a stickshift, you could always park on a hill and roll-start it if your repair didn't work.

Consider a used starter from a junkyard - the Japanese starters seldom fail, are very costly new or rebuilt, but typically junkyards have a lot of good used starters so will sell them cheap. This starter is easy to replace so you are not out a lot of work if you put in a used one and it fails.

You may find this job a lot easier with a socket and ratchet set. If you don't have any tools, most of us started out with a mid-size set of Craftsman tools from Sears - I did and have 99% of the original set still (couple of sockets have broken over the years, Sears gave me a new one) (although I hear Sears is not as good about this as they were)

Welcome to the brotherhood of the dirty fingernail. I think you are going to make a good one!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-17-2008, 01:19 PM
 
8,943 posts, read 11,782,627 times
Reputation: 10871
Thank you, M3 Mitch. I tried starting it at home, but no luck this time because the starter kept moving out of position. I guess the heat was too much for the glue. I will try to glue with the J-B weld stuff. Thanks again.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-17-2008, 01:23 PM
 
Location: The Frenchie Farm, Where We Grow 'em Big!
2,080 posts, read 6,938,142 times
Reputation: 1084
This is funny! Great McGyver inginuity, I used duct tape for a leaky radiator and had 30 miles to go. There was a huge wad of tape on the top corner of that radiator. And it worked. M3 Mitch is right. Try J-B Weld! Works great until you get it properly fixed.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-17-2008, 01:34 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
17,216 posts, read 57,072,247 times
Reputation: 18579
I would suggest first determining what exactly is broke.

Only if the transmission housing is broke, go with (maybe) J-B weld.

If the starter frame itself broke (and that is what I would expect happened) you don't need J-B Weld, it's actually easier to fix it "right" - go get a used (best value) or rebuilt (realize you will probably "eat" the core charge on the rebuilt if your starter frame is broke) if you can't get to a junkyard

If you are new to the old car game, get your butt over to the local junkyard. Jay Leno does old cars and may not go to junkyards (although would not shock me to find he did) but he's rich. A big part of playing the old car game and not ending up with way too much money in your ride is junkyard parts.

Get on the horn, price out the rebuilt vs used, you will see what I mean.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-17-2008, 02:31 PM
 
8,943 posts, read 11,782,627 times
Reputation: 10871
You had too much confidence in me. It took me over an hour just to remove it. The dishonest mechanic who put it on didn't install the inside, hidden, more difficult bolt. The starter had only one bolt holding it in place the whole time. Now I need to get a similar bolt also. Think Home Depot has it? Would J-B Weld hold the broken piece in place? Thanks.

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/davidtr1/IMG_1209.jpg (broken link)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-17-2008, 02:37 PM
 
Location: WA
5,641 posts, read 24,953,484 times
Reputation: 6574
Quote:
Originally Posted by davidt1 View Post
...
The dishonest mechanic who put it on didn't install the inside, hidden, more difficult bolt.
...
Not unusual. I found that the Honda dealership left one starter bolt out on my S2000 after they did transmission work.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-17-2008, 02:49 PM
 
8,943 posts, read 11,782,627 times
Reputation: 10871
Autozone has one for $99 with an exchange, but I already told them it's broken. They said I might not get the exchange credit if it's broken. Here is another picture. I might just weld it and see what happens. What do you think?

http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg5/davidtr1/IMG_1210.jpg (broken link)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-17-2008, 03:23 PM
 
Location: Eastern Washington
17,216 posts, read 57,072,247 times
Reputation: 18579
Well, if you are a heliarc aluminum welder in your day job, set it up in a *** and weld it.

Did you call and ask about a used starter? I think you will find them costing about $35 or $40.

At this point you can put in a starter that isn't broke for the same effort as trying to patch this one.

Take the bolt with you, you will need another bolt so as not to duplicate what your hack mechanic did.

Really, don't mess around trying to fix the broken ear on this starter.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 10-17-2008, 05:41 PM
 
8,943 posts, read 11,782,627 times
Reputation: 10871
Quote:
Originally Posted by M3 Mitch View Post
Well, if you are a heliarc aluminum welder in your day job, set it up in a *** and weld it.

Did you call and ask about a used starter? I think you will find them costing about $35 or $40.

At this point you can put in a starter that isn't broke for the same effort as trying to patch this one.

Take the bolt with you, you will need another bolt so as not to duplicate what your hack mechanic did.

Really, don't mess around trying to fix the broken ear on this starter.
The local junkyard has one for $50. I know it's a lot cheaper than Autozone, but there is no guarantee right? So I take it home and it doesn't work, or it works for a few months then stop working. Now what? It would be so much easier if it's a door, panel, or something like that.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive
Similar Threads

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2024, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top