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Old 12-13-2008, 10:17 AM
 
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But when you need a SUV or trauck nothgn else will do. That the point different strokes for different folks. My camry or your honda isn't going to pull a boat or any real trailer.Just because you see a sinlge person doesn't mean they don't use it as intended many times.
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:26 AM
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Location: MA/NH
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But when you need a SUV or trauck nothgn else will do. That the point different strokes for different folks. My camry or your honda isn't going to pull a boat or any real trailer.Just because you see a sinlge person doesn't mean they don't use it as intended many times.
One vehicle can't do everything. If you have to pull a trailered boat, of course you''ll need a truck for that job. However most of us don't have that need, or if they do, it's only for the weekends. At that point, the truck should only be a second vehicle and driver only when a trailer needs to be towed.

I don't find my Honda Civic hatchbacks at all boring. I think that the 1992-95 ones are the best and very stylish... and even sexy. And they are versatile too. Cheap on gas, the manual transmission ones are fun to autocross, and they hold a lot of stuff if need be. They are a great road trip car for me as they are easy and fun to drive. One of my hatches has 380K miles so far. I will always have one of these little hatchbacks. My currently daily driver beater car has 181K miles and was purchased five years ago for only $500.

Honda Civic hatchbacks rock!
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Old 12-14-2008, 10:29 AM
 
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One vehicle can't do everything. If you have to pull a trailered boat, of course you''ll need a truck for that job. However most of us don't have that need, or if they do, it's only for the weekends. At that point, the truck should only be a second vehicle and driver only when a trailer needs to be towed.

I don't find my Honda Civic hatchbacks at all boring. I think that the 1992-95 ones are the best and very stylish... and even sexy. And they are versatile too. Cheap on gas, the manual transmission ones are fun to autocross, and they hold a lot of stuff if need be. They are a great road trip car for me as they are easy and fun to drive. One of my hatches has 380K miles so far. I will always have one of these little hatchbacks. My currently daily driver beater car has 181K miles and was purchased five years ago for only $500.

Honda Civic hatchbacks rock!
Your asummng that everyopne wants to be like you but that is not reality. It6 natters not ho9w manny miles per gallon you get but now much you consume. If you consume more than the average by driving too many miles that is just as bad and if you pollute because you drive a older vehicle that is bad . Many staes now want to get as many vehciles off the road that are over ten years old because studies show they are the major contributors to pollution amoung vehciles.
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:04 AM
 
Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley
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Some quick math about what "2 percent high" means -

On a car with 100,000 miles on the odometer, you've actually driven 98,000 miles. Not a huge difference there.

Say you have a car with 10,000 miles, and your odo tells you you drove 425 miles on a 10 gallon tank fill. You calculate that's 42.5 miles per gallon, but it's really 41.8 mpg. Again, not a huge difference.

If the odo is off, the speedometer is probably off, too, and in the non-ticket-getting direction. You think you're going 60, but you're actually going 58.8.
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:06 AM
 
Location: Jonquil City (aka Smyrna) Georgia- by Atlanta
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But when you need a SUV or trauck nothgn else will do. That the point different strokes for different folks. My camry or your honda isn't going to pull a boat or any real trailer.Just because you see a sinlge person doesn't mean they don't use it as intended many times.
Very few people out here pull either.
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Old 12-14-2008, 04:05 PM
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Location: MA/NH
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Your asummng that everyopne wants to be like you but that is not reality. It6 natters not ho9w manny miles per gallon you get but now much you consume. If you consume more than the average by driving too many miles that is just as bad and if you pollute because you drive a older vehicle that is bad . Many staes now want to get as many vehciles off the road that are over ten years old because studies show they are the major contributors to pollution amoung vehciles.
There are two issues in your post, first that my Civic can't tow (but most people don't need to ever tow a boat trailer, let alone one every day). So to that, unless you tow boats every day why not rent when you need to tow a boat or have two different types of vehicles. My boyfriend rented a pickup to tow his dirt bike to a race two months ago. The rental was cheap and only $45 a day.

Secondly, about emissions. Well my old Civic is very fuel efficient (40 mpg hwy) and still passes the smog tests with flying colours. And if YOU are that concerned about emissions, then you should only want to own a hybrid or electric motor truck to be towing your electric or wind powered boat...
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Old 12-14-2008, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Northeast Tennessee
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I had a honda once and the engine lasted forever, but the door panels, the interior, the sunroof, the seats, pretty much everything was cheap and slowly came apart! By the end I had 100,000 miles on it but everything else needed repairs. For an import I would pay more and go with a Subaru anyday, quality inside and outside.
I am wondering what year and model of Honda you had that had a poor interior. I have owned several 80s-early 90s Hondas (Accords and a Civic) and all had a nice high quality interior, especially in comparison with cars of the same era.

My 1991 Accord had a very high quality interior that never seemed to age.
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Old 12-14-2008, 11:33 PM
 
Location: Earth
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No doubt, Honda builds a fine product...

Just yesterday I was talking with a couple of car collectors and the subject of why you almost never see a Japanese car from the 60's or 70's on the road.

I live in CA and Japanese cars were probably more popular here than just about anywhere else...

I see old Volvos and Mercedes and lots of old Chevrolets, Mustangs and Dodge Darts and Valiants... just never see an old Japanese car of the same era.

The term I've heard a lot is they were disposable cars and the sheet metal was very thin and much more prone to rust.
It's my understand that when Honda first started out they built "disposable" cars. Meaning they were not built to last.

Then somewhere along the line, the American companies figured if you had to buy a car every 10 years they'd make more money, on top of cutting costs to save even more money....so a "win-win" situation for them at the time (so they thought) So they began building them cheaper and cheaper.

Meanwhile Japan picked up on the quality the Americans left off at and began copying off of it to help improve them selves since they couldn't figure it out to begin with.

The end result: both sides merely traded shoes.

At least this is how I see it.

Now looking back you see very very few older Japaneese cars but LOTS of old American iron running around.

But then I'm sure if you look in a junkyard today you'll see more newer American iron as opposed to Japaneese, all things being equal.

I think what really gave American car companies the bad rap was when they stated building some of their cars as cheap as Honda used to.

For example....Tempo...Celebrity....Citation....K car....Topaz....Sunbird...Vega...Pinto...all of these cars IMO are what gave American auto makers a bad name. Because of their high failure rates.

Before these cars I think Chrysler Ford and GM were still thought of as a respectable brand.
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Old 12-15-2008, 02:58 AM
 
Location: Suburbia and boy is it great (NOT)
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I have a 1997 Ford Escort. I passed 199,000 this past weekend and will go over 200,000 this coming weekend. No problems. I will not bash Honda, they make a great product. But so do Ford and GM. I always hear people bashing Mitsubishi. Well, my wife has a 2000 Mirage, bought it new, with over 145,000 on it with no problems. And it's an automatic!!!
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Old 12-15-2008, 04:40 AM
 
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I have a 1991 Ford Escort with 137,000. This has been the most reliable car I have ever owned. Much more so than my junk 1990 Honda Prelude that was always having problems until finally the transmission went out LOL. The piece of garbarge kept overheating before that.
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